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Pronation Protocol Overview - A Chiropractor's Perspective

Discussion in 'Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses' started by Dieter Fellner, Sep 15, 2016.

  1. David Wedemeyer

    David Wedemeyer Well-Known Member

    A typical device and a lateral, A to P and lateral are the minimal radiologic views to dx pathologic bs :D:D:D

    So what we have here is a SRP and Poron, foam and suede covered, non volumetric device made from full weight bearing with numerous convex cookies and a very odd met pad. Yeah, this will "control pronation".

    ;););)
     

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  2. David Wedemeyer

    David Wedemeyer Well-Known Member

    And btw they own FootMaxx and here is one that wandered into my office with....drumroll....first met pain. Look at the placement of the met pads, smh!
     

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  3. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    David, what are you unhappy about? Admittedly not as good as a FellnerLeveler BUT it conforms pretty well and is designed to ONLY block that element of pronation that is pathological.

    OK, joking aside, the insoles seem well worn. Does that mean the patient liked it?
     
  4. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    :rolleyes: you're just being picky ....
     
  5. David Wedemeyer

    David Wedemeyer Well-Known Member

    It means the patient had no prior knowledge of the FellnerLeveleer but persisted in hriving anyway. :eek:

    At least until he sought me out for something that conformed much better due to medial arch and medial tibial stress syndrome.
     
  6. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    Excellent .... if he's still concerned send him to me .... I will stent him (unless he's an athlete)
     
  7. David Wedemeyer

    David Wedemeyer Well-Known Member

    You're right, I need to stop placing metpads proxinal to the metheads and ensure they're very lateral!
     

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  8. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    "... but Foot Levelers have all the technology..." :D :D :D
    "Foot Levelers have all the technology"???! Yea - like their foot scanner? That thing they use to scan the plantar surfaces of feet :confused: to reveal the status of those "3 arches" of the feet which serves as the bases for their (what really is a) generic bumpy insole :p . Well that foot scanner of theirs is rumoured to be just a HP scanner (yea - like the one that is probably sitting in your printer at work or home)! But David Wedemeyer should have the evidence of this. Dave, is it possible for you to post up that picture you emailed me (providing you don't feel there will be any legal implications)?

    Yes, FootLevelers (USA head office) got in contact with a big legal firm in Sydney (Australia) & tried to sue me for expressing a view on their product.

    Yes, those at Foot Levelers don't like objective critique of their product... their product & reasoning is evidently too fragile & insecure to handle such... & bankrupt of a logical, educated & evidence based defence.

    I've had a number of Foot Levelers patients come to me with unresolved issues. Get the patient to stand on their generic bumpy insole (aka Foot Levelers)... & they are doing absolutely nothing (whoops, may be not quite nothing... well, there may be some proprioceptive thing happening with those three bumps under the feet)... but a conducive biomechanical affect addressing the forces contributing to the symptoms - nothing... hence the unresolved symptoms!
     
  9. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member


    Sue - Are you freaking kidding me???????

    Please try FellnerLevelers ... they work great (btw I'm contracting this to Feleveler patent pending) ((made with Harris Beath Footprint Mat - 'cause you can't beat tried & tested science))
     
  10. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    Yep... they attempted to sue me. They attempted to come at with me with all sorts of lame allegations (in attempt to intimidate me)... one of the allegations from memory was that my views jeopardised their client's (Foot Levelers) "considerable reputation".
     
  11. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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    ..and what reputation might that be? They don't need your help to damage it! Given that the scientific evidence contradicts so many of the claims that their spokes people make, they damage it all on their own.
     
  12. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    Yes, that's what I pretty much told them (with some evidence to back it up)... which pretty much ended it. After two letters to the Sydney legal firm I think they themselves thought that Foot Levelers were are bunch of tools :rolleyes:.
     
  13. David Wedemeyer

    David Wedemeyer Well-Known Member

    Matt they did adopt a new system that does in fact utilize a laser (ahem Robert Isaacs) but even if they used a Sharpe Shape system there is no data out there that tells us what they do with the scan, you still must go from capture to mold production and the finished device and they favor a full weight bearing scan. They also make one accommodative design and combination of materials.

    I remember this, all of my comments are simply opinions based on observing their products and Platinum scanner.


    They don't like discussing biomechanics period, they do however market like banshees.

    And there lies the challenge for my profession, looking at the literature and a comprehensive reassessment of lower extremity biomechanics and how foot orthoses fit into the goals of treatment for individual patients and not a one size fits all approach.
     
  14. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    About the photocopier or laser, or whatever they use. The company would stake a claim for a 3D foot. How accurate is that claim? Best I can see, a foot gets pressed on a flat glass plate. Not really fully weight-bearing, since the subject reclines, bends their hip and knee and somehow directs their foot against that plate. So, is that 3D. Is that a reproducible foot position. What is the point of a flat plate foot impression. Is that any better than Harris Beath impression or is a Harris Beath better? Is a dynamic foot impression (the type we did back in pod school all those years ago) an even better way to capture dynamic impressions. What does that tell us about magnitude and direction of forces, torque and moments. And, as was mentioned, what happens to the data capture that results in the famous FL orthotic?
     
  15. David Wedemeyer

    David Wedemeyer Well-Known Member

  16. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    David,

    Indeed .... I saw another video clip that demonstrated the other. Perhaps that was an earlier model. Either way, and more importantly, how useful is the flat screen scan?
     
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2016
  17. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the update Dave.
     
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