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Kinesio Taping for Bunions

Discussion in 'Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses' started by Griff, May 23, 2012.

  1. Griff

    Griff Moderator


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    Re: Does Kinesio taping work?

    {ADMIN NOTE: This modified post has been copied from the thread Does Kinesio Taping Work}

    The pathology I have had some of the best and most astounding results with (believe it or not) is the symptomatic HAV. As far as anecdotal evidence is concerned, in the last few weeks I have taped 7 patients bunions, and 6 of them absolutely loved it (one of which reported he could play 5-a-side football without pain the following morning for the first time in years). The one patient who didn't like it took it off as she experienced a cramp like sensation in Abductor Hallucis.
     
  2. Craig Payne

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    Re: Does Kinesio taping work?

    I see the need for a You Tube video on this. Any chance?
     
  3. Griff

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    Re: Does Kinesio taping work?

    There's this video:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeZzCf0sQ28

    Not exactly how I do it (I don't find that the third piece of tape [purple in this vid] is necessary), nor the brand of tape I prefer/use, but pretty close and gives you an idea. Will try and record one myself if I get the chance.
     
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  4. KBruce

    KBruce Member

    Hi Ian

    What do you think sets rock tape apart from the other brands?
    I have tried a few others not for bunions but other problems with limited success so remain scepticle, haven't tried rock tape as yet though

    Cheers
     
  5. Griff

    Griff Moderator

    Hey Kenny

    In my experience RockTape is far more 'robust' (if thats the right word to use?). Although most of the brands will all claim to stay in situ for 3-5 days and easily withstand showering I have found that the only one which achieves this with lower limb taping is the RockTape. Having tried several of the different brands on myself I can confirm that it feels different to the others too. Not sure (not looked into) why.

    Definately keen for others to try it on HAV and see if they get as good results - I'd be really interested to hear. Certainly not suggesting it replaces first line treatments, but it's perfect for those patients who have exhausted all other conservative strategies and are reluctant for a surgical referral.
     
  6. Freeman

    Freeman Active Member

    Thanks so much for passing that along.
    Freeman
     
  7. And what is it that you think this tape is influencing: The hallux abduction angle? The subjective symptoms?
     
  8. Griff

    Griff Moderator

    Does it alter the hallux abduction angle radiologically? I don't know. What I can say is that in 4 of the 7 aforementioned subjects that a visual angular change of the hallux was noted after the tape application.

    Psychological influences aside, I wonder if the tape is altering intra-articular kinetics (reduces internal abduction moment). But I'm guessing.

    I've been mulling over the design for a small study, which I could probably benefit from your help with at some point.
     
  9. musmed

    musmed Active Member

    Dear Ian
    Hi
    remember you are reducing the motion of skin
    the longest distance in golf is the 4 inches between your ears and it applies to many other things as well.
    Look at the a delta fibre pathways in skin.
    This I believe is the pathway
    Regards from beautiful south coast of Aus
    Another day in paradise
    Regards
    Paul conneely
    www.musmed.com.au
     
  10. RobinP

    RobinP Well-Known Member

    Did 2 last week because Ian said it was great;)

    Both very positive in terms of symptom reduction and one had a distinct improvement in HAV angle in static weight bearing.

    I did use the tape running perpendicularly in the second one and the patient seemed to find this better than without. Can't remember the brand of tape I used but it only lasted 2-3 days

    If I'm honest, I sort of wished they hadn't worked and I could stay doing things the way I have done for years without investigating something new but hey ho. Griff if you design a study and need patient numbers, give me a nod

    RP
     
  11. LSHutch

    LSHutch Member

    To either of you chaps who have had success with this strapping; do you have a preferred position for the patient's foot to be in when applying the tape?? With low-Dye strapping I try to have the patient keep a relatively neutral position where possible by dorsiflexing their foot. Obviously this is hard to achieve when applying ones own strapping.

    Just to add another two bob worth in: I've applied the "Rock Tape" brand taping a couple of times throughout the footy season for my own corks, bruises etc and found it to be pretty beneficial (1-2 days pain upon palpation instead of 3-4). I don't think it's 100% placebo because I was expecting it not to work! I used what was referred to as the "Octopus" technique in the corse.
     
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    This clinical trial was just registered ... even though its been completed!

    Initial Effects of Kinesiotaping in Non Surgical Treatment of Hallux Valgus
     
  13. kate_stonestreet

    kate_stonestreet Welcome New Poster

    Hi Ian,
    I've had a lot of success with RockTape, but I usually only use it to aid with healing injuries, I've never used it for bunions, I'm looking forward to giving it a go.
    How long does the pt usually experience symptom relief? Is your aim to help them in the long term, or does the tape only help while they're wearing it?
    Kate
     
  14. Howellig

    Howellig Welcome New Poster

    Thanks for the info Ian, very keen to put the taping to use for the short term benefit of bunions worldwide!
     
  15. Griff

    Griff Moderator

    Only just picking up some questions from this - apologies for the delay [nearly 2 years in the case of the first one!!]

    I'm not fussed about the STJ when applying kinesiotape in this way. I usually ask the patient to hold their ankle at 90 degrees. No rationale for why.

    Relief seems to be variable. Since I posted this thread in 2012 I would hazard a guess I've tested this "theory" on close to 100 patients/HAVs. The one chap who I mentioned was delighted and able to play football again for the first time in years remains the main success story (looks like I peaked a bit early...) He orders his tape by the box and applies weekly last I heard. I didn't really start out with any aims or goals. Just thought there was nothing to lose by trying it. My patient demographic is young (18-45) and sporty, and surgery isn't always something they are keen to consider for one reason or another. My belief is that it will only be useful whilst they are wearing it, and to clarify - I am very honest with them from the start regarding what this tape is/isn't and where the current evidence base is with it.

    As an aside if using kinesiotape I mainly use Rocktape H2O nowadays. Designed for water sports but found the extra 'stickiness' pretty handy when dealing with feet/ankles.
     
  16. RobinP

    RobinP Well-Known Member

    I haven't done the same numbers as Ian but I have several patients who are runners and apply the tape themselves to maintain symptom reduction. Most feel the benefit but give up once the pain has reduced a little. The others stop using when the novelty wears off because the difference in symptoms does not outweigh the hassle factor
    Always go to great pains to tell people that it might be completely useless and that there is zero evidence supporting its usage other than Ian's footballer ;)

    Just my 2p
     
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    Another video from Robert Issacs:
     
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    Short-Term Effects of Kinesiotaping on Pain and Joint Alignment in Conservative Treatment of Hallux Valgus
    Gul Oznur Karabicak, PT. PhD, Nilgun Bek, PT. PhD, Ugur Tiftikci, MD
    Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics; in press
     
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    Effects of balance taping using kinesiology tape in a patient with moderate hallux valgus: A case report
    Lee, Sun-Min PT, PhD; Lee, Jung-Hoon PT, PhD
    Medicine: November 2016 - Volume 95 - Issue 46 - p e5357
     
  20. Craig Payne

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    That does not look like "kinesio" taping technique to me; that looks like a "structural" taping technique with pretty coloured tape.
     

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  21. agree Craig it might be Kinesio tape but the Technique is not, so structural style with a more flexible tape, some big changes reported though, got to wonder how long the changes remained if the patient stops taping
     
  22. W J Liggins

    W J Liggins Well-Known Member

    Were the post treatment X-rays taken with the tape on or off?

    Bill
     
  23. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    I'm all for colorful straps and tapes .... or silicone wedges, or exercises, or orthoses ....or whatever a patient wants to try out - eventually that patient gets fed up and will need, and ask, for surgery. A bunion, if it's bad enough, will likely always require a surgical solution for the great majority of patients, as a definitive remedy. At least in our lifetime.
     
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    Conventional Tape versus Kinesiotape for Hallux Valgus Correction
    Nadia Lotfy Radwan, Mervat Abdelrahman Mohamed, Abeer Ramadan Ibrahim
    International Journal of Medical Research &
    Health Sciences, 2017, 6(1): 71-78

     
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    Evaluating Quality of Life in Patients with Hallux Abducto Valgus Deformity After a Taping Technique.
    Malcolm Paul Formosa, Alfred Gatt, and Cynthia Formosa
    Journal of the American Podiatric Medical Association: July 2017, Vol. 107, No. 4, pp. 287-291.
     
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    Effects of Kinesio Taping and Stretching on Hallux Valgus Angle and Balance in Female Hallux Valgus Patients
    Jung-Hyun Choi
    Research Journal of Pharmacy and Technology 2017
     
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