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New Botox & Fillers course for UK Podiatrists

Discussion in 'United Kingdom' started by Fluent Health, Nov 29, 2011.

  1. Fluent Health

    Fluent Health Banned

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    Hello, I am a podiatrist in the UK practicing as an Aesthetics Practitioner. Along with a faculty of Cosmetic Dr's, nurses and Business consultants we have an accredited training course for UK HPC registered Podiatrists to train to deliver skin rejuvination techniques using Botlulinum Toxin A (Botox) and Dermal Fillers. This is a exciting 2 day course and as we are a recognised registered training provider you will automatically gain insurance to legally practice after completing our course. It is assessed hands on practical and theory course, delivered across the country with our main training centre in Bolton. You can expand your income exponentially in the ever increasing market after completing the course. For more in information visit our web site www.fluenthealthacademy.co.uk or drop us an e-mail for an application form to info@fluenthealth.net. Enter Forum into the Voucher code to entitle you to a £150 discount when you book on line.
  2. Frederick George

    Frederick George Active Member

    I'm curious. What do they treat on the foot?

    Fillers are great for diminished fat pad, but we tried them 25 yrs ago, and they disappeared in 4 mo. They just squish away.

    I heard somewhere of a study or theoretical idea of Botox for the adductor hallucis to reduce an early hallux valgus, but I didn't think anyone actually does it.

    The website doesn't seem to give any info.

    Any ideas?

  3. Tkemp

    Tkemp Active Member

  4. G Flanagan

    G Flanagan Active Member

    Rather more alarmingly, I think this course is aimed at preparing you for facial injection.

    Whilst I am rather vocal about Podiatric recognition, using our full scope of practice etc.

    I must say if I were ever looking into getting botox, dermal fillers I would not see a Podiatrist. Surely this is also a mine field waiting to happen, can you imagine the press PODIATRIST MADE ME LOOK LIKE I HAD A STROKE. All practitioners have adverse outcomes, but particulary practising outside your anatomic speciality is just asking for trouble and could potentially give us bad press.

    I would say the same if my dentist started offering 1st MPJ steroids.

  5. Tkemp

    Tkemp Active Member

  6. RobinP

    RobinP Well-Known Member

    Not that I disagree with you George, but I have a beauty therapist working in my clinic and she worked at a beauty salon before where standard beauty therapists were doing botox

    Given the choice, I think I'd rather have a podiatrist!

    Surely dentists are the obvious choice
  7. Ian Drakard

    Ian Drakard Active Member

    I'd probably prefer a pod too, but that doesn't mean either should be doing it. If people feel the need to exploit this loophole don't do it under their professional title. People who have gone before me have worked hard to get rights that have enhanced but are connected to our scope of practice. This would only erode some of the respect I think has been built for the profession.
  8. Ian Drakard

    Ian Drakard Active Member

    On the other hand, if I was volunteering to have my face injected I'd probably prefer anyone than the guy from the ankle block video :eek:
  9. drscouse

    drscouse Member

    Dear all,

    My only concern is ..... Foot and Ankle and the associated structures!

    Now I know the leg bone is connected to the hip bone and so on...but this is a farfetched stretch to get to the face bone (good anatomy I know!)

    I agree many are doing this and will continue to do this be they HCA's, or other health care practitioners (dubious of training though!)

    really can you imagine the uproar from us as a profession if those whose area of practice is the face and that which this is reporting to treat then started saying well I can inject so why not inject in the feet as well.

    We go on and on about how good we are...how well trained and specialised we are on many fronts (not all I know) therefore to venture in to another area is setting ourselves up for a fall (in my opinion).

    I would be interested to see what the HPC would say. You cannot say you are a podiatrist as you do this as practicing under that name and undertaking this procedure is well outside of the scope of practice.

    If you are practicing this from your main area / room / premises and for the first appt of the day see a foot and treat that...then the next appt you see a face to inject (in the same room under the same premise that you advertise as a podiatric establishment) I would be very worried about potential complaints or accusations.

    Please please let's not give those who want to bash our profession any more chance to do so.

    There endeth my little rant !


    Matt (aka Drscouse)
  10. Catfoot

    Catfoot Well-Known Member

    It s interesting to note that the OP has now been banned from Pod A. :eek:

    There is also a deathly hush from all those Podiatrists who do undertake these type of procedures. I wonder why that should be ?:confused:


  11. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    They were spamming with multiple copies of the same post and replying to multiple employment threads with the same post and kept doing it after being asked to stop. I was going to delete the original post in this thread, but thought it might be of interest to some members.
  12. Lisa moore

    Lisa moore Member

    Thanks this is a really interesting discussion. Aesthetics is a separate profession from Podiatry, being a podiatrist just means that you have the relevant qualifications to enter this type of course.

    Once qualified you practice and are insured as an Aesthetics Practitioner, this is outside your HPC registration. If you were an engineer before you qualified to be a podiatrist you can still be an engineer if it just a matter of dual qualification and registration.

    I find it interesting that as Podiatrists we are often encouraged to do our MSc's in "Advanced practice" working in the NHS doing roles that were previously undertaken by our medical colleagues. Our original teachings within the podiatry degree were just the foundations then once qualified we then go on to be called an Advanced Practitioner.

    General Podiatry in the NHS rapidly being taken over by Assistant practitioners and HCA's leaving us to up skill, why should we not take the opportunity that many nurses have done, most of whom dont even have a basic degree?

    The world is a changing place and as Podiatrist we have often been at the forefront of any change. It needs us to continue to develop in many different arena's and celebrate the fact we are acknowledged on the same level as Doctors, Dentists and Nurses, incidentally before physio's, OT's, Dieticians and SALT's.

    Diversifying does not mean we are not good Podiatrist, we just have extra skills out side of Podiatry.

    Independent prescribing is on the horizon for podiatrists so I would expect this to be raising its head more often.
  13. davidh

    davidh Podiatry Arena Veteran

    Good post Lisa.

    I looked into this a while ago (from a teaching perspective), and tested the water with regard to pod opinion on various forums. Most pods were simply not interested.
    I think this thread shows that too.

    Interestingly, whilst pods may be qualified to undertake the necessary training for these procedures, and this includes being able to obtain good indemnity insurance, FHPs are not.

    Finally, for those who have been around as long as I have:eek:, do any of the points raised on this thread remind anyone of some of the negative attitudes prevalent within our profession in the early 70's towards UK chiropodists training to administer LA and carry out surgery?
  14. Lisa moore

    Lisa moore Member

    Thanks for your comments David, from my experience, there is huge interest from Podiatrist, it justs seems that they appear to be a little "frightened" to openly state an interest on Podiatry forums for fear of "threats to report to the HPC" from people that dont understand dual registration. (no dig intended, just a misconception that many make)

    Over 4000 clinicians are currently insured to practice in this industry, an increasing amount of those being (ex) podiatrists. Perhaps the lack of a Professional or Regulatory body such as the HPC or SOCP to back them up was one such reason for them not being as vocal previously?

    Fluent Health have been instrumental in collaborating with national cometic insurers for standards in this industry, as such BSoAP or The British Society of Aesthetics Practitioners is now available for such podiatrists and other clinicians wishing for a little more support in expanding their careers (they have been great support to Podiatrists in this industry, promoting their unique skills that are so often dismissed by fellow nurses and Dr's).

    As an Old NHS Head of Podiatry myself now working part time for the Department of Health setting standards with the different regulatory bodies (GMC, NMC, HPC) on informatics I remember the introduction of LA and more recently POMs into the practice of Podiatry.

    I agree, that our profession is an amazing one with some really talented people, when presenting at the DH next week for over 70 CEO's I will introduce my self as a podiatrist, although in my present NHS role I am in informatics & in my private role I am an Aesthetics Practitioner. Neither wrong or against the principals of podiatry that I uphold.

    Lets stand together and celebrate our diverseness and the new opportunities that are open to us, we have enough criticism outside Podiatry without it from within also.

    This is a fantastic opportunity by a nationally reputable company. (it is a shame they have been excluded from this conversation) :good:
  15. G Flanagan

    G Flanagan Active Member

    Lisa, no one has mentioned being scared or not wanting to improve and highlight Podiatric Medicine.

    As a Podiatrist, I see the foot & ankle as my speciality. We can (in the UK) supply meds, offer both conservative and invasive treatment modalities (autonomously) and so on (and independently rx at some point).

    Other than Physicians, dentists and vets who else can do this. In my eyes the profession of Podiatric Medicine is not an allied health (however grouping us in the HPC hasn't done anything to help this image) and should be separated as the former are.

    Going on a course to enable practice outside the anatomical speciality of the foot and ankle isn't progressing podiatric medicine its simply giving ammunition to those professions who see us as Charlatans.
  16. blinda

    blinda MVP

    :good: <-Which IMHO is a smiley that an-nother poster should say, not at the end of your own ;)

    ...and therein lies the crux of the problem. All the time we are classified as AHP`s our scope of practice is going to be limited and less defined.

    I have no problem with anyone undertaking aesthetic courses, whether they be podiatrist, dentist, GP, OT, FHP, reflexologist, etc, BUT please do not sell these courses as `expanding our careers`. The qualification is in aesthetics and should be sold and advertised as such, not an enhancement or a diverseness of our skills. What is a podiatrist? " the study of, diagnosis, and treatment of disorders of the foot, ankle, and lower leg. " Gotta love wiki. Anyone who knows me is aware that I am not the biggest fan of any professional body or the HPC, however I do not see why you would think either should `back up` pods to undertake aesthetic courses.

    Whilst, like George, I`m all for utilising our knowledge of A&P and the progression of podiatry, dermal fillers/botox tx is not within our scope of practice, as podiatrists. It is very much separate to our scope of practice. The term `dual registration` is misleading and should rather be `separate registration`.
  17. davidh

    davidh Podiatry Arena Veteran

    Very little. Botox and dermal fillers are used for aesthetic enhancement of the face, neck, decolletage, and buttocks.

    As you imply, atrophied plantar fat pads can be helped, but only temporarily, by dermal fillers. I have not heard of injecting botox to help treat early hallux valgus.

    I think it inevitable that some pods will want to maximise their qualification in injection technique, which is where this type of course comes in. I do not want to do this procedure myself, but I see no reason why pods should not train up if they so wish.

    On another note, pods who are also aesthetics practitioners are unlikely to have a detrimental effect on the profession as a whole in the UK. We heard exactly this type of argument when we were pushing the boundaries with LA and surgery in the UK in the early days - not that LA and surgery is comparable with aesthetics. Clearly they are relevant to podiatry, whereas most aesthetics techniques are not.

    I distinctly remember conversations with NHS Heads of Service, and one Head of School.
    They were absolutely opposed to LA and any form of surgery being carried out by chiropodists. "What will doctors think?" was a favourite line:D.

    The HPC are not interested. Unless the practitioner is calling him/herself something they are not, or they have been accused of malpractice/clinical negligence in their podiatry profession they will not act.
    Professional bodies are not interested either.
    It's a shame the op or company decided to spam the forum. Spam will earn an instant ban. Still, the thread has been allowed to continue, so maybe CP is becoming soft in his old age :D.
  18. UKA Pod

    UKA Pod Active Member

    Hi Lisa,

    I think you're doing a fantastic job at promoting these types of courses. I believe that many podiatrists wear different hats i.e. reflexologist, osteopath etc etc... and I think there's nothing wrong with also training as an aesthetic Practitioner (particularly in private practise).
  19. rosherville

    rosherville Active Member

    Might as well be blunt !

    It`s a sad day when any 'foot specialist' wishes to use their qualification to encourage colleagues to migrate to another part of the anatomy. I see it purely as a money making exercise, having nothing to do advancing the profession of Podiatry.

    There are many successful Podiatrists, usually skilled clinicians with something to offer, who don`t have the time to think about other areas. Probably there are others, less skilled or lacking enthusiasm, who need to find something else to do to make ends meet, but why get in to areas of pseudo medicine ?
    It just seems tacky, selling a fashion accessory.

    Lisa, as you say 'I remember the introduction of LA', that of course was over 40 years ago, so you will remember the hard work and dedication required to obtain it and that 'injecting fillers' cannot be compared to it.
    That was certainly a landmark for the advancement of Podiatry.
  20. msepod

    msepod Member

    Hi Lisa,
    I am really interested in dermal fillers but it is just not used in Australia. I have spoken to many of my long term atrophied clients and they have been very optimisitic over at least being given the choice to have this procedure. I have been trying to look into the pharmaceutical side of things to see if our insurance would cover this before venturing further but have had no success in obtaining the names of the products used in the dermal filling. If someone could let me know that would be great.
  21. G Flanagan

    G Flanagan Active Member

  22. beverlymedspa

    beverlymedspa Welcome New Poster

    Botox is a therapy that reduces the appearance of wrinkles and creases on the face. Botulinum toxin fillers paralyze the muscles that prevent wrinkles and creases from appearing on the face. Botox is not a permanent procedure, but you should expect to see effects in 3-4 weeks. Botox can help with a variety of health issues, including eye spasms, drooping eyelids, excessive sweating, and excessive sweating. Botox is commonly used to treat forehead wrinkles, cheek lines, and jawlines. The main goal of this therapy is to get rid of any undesired flaws. However, we must remember the botox aftercare guidelines when having this operation; following these directions will have a positive effect on our skin, such as avoiding alcohol, gently exfoliating your face, and leaving the treated area alone.

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