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Will the Maximalist Running Shoe Trend Endure?

Discussion in 'Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses' started by Craig Payne, Mar 27, 2015.

  1. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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    Will the Maximalist Shoe Trend Endure?
    Interesting call here by Brian Metzler:
    Full story:
    http://running.competitor.com/2015/...-shoe-trend-endure_125364#2wr1iUgS0JrhroGu.99
     
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  2. Admin2

    Admin2 Administrator Staff Member

  3. Minimalist and Maxamilist both will be here to stay.

    What will change is people using the correct shoes for them, we as health professionals will hopefully in the future will also be better able to help people get into the correct shoe.

    minimalist shoes were not wrong, just used by too many of the wrong people.
     
  4. Minimalist shoes were not wrong, since all running shoes were "minimalist" before 1970. After 1970, but before 2010, thin-soled running shoes were called "racing flats". Just because a new name for a shoe type is coined ('minimalist shoes") doesn't also mean that the same running shoe design features did not exist before the new name for that shoe type was invented.
     
  5. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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    I have posted this before. What was driving minimalism/barefoot:
    - how many people were evangelizing about it?
    - how many books are there on it?
    - how many websites devoted to it?
    - how many unsupported claims were made for it?

    Why did it fail? It simply did not deliver on the promises and claims that were made for it by the evangelists. And we now know from the science that the claims and promise are not systematic (remember all the claims about all the science that proved it was right - there was no science that said that and we kept saying that and there still isn't).

    What about maximalism?
    - how many people were evangelizing about it? ... none
    - how many books are there on it? ... none
    - how many websites devoted to it? ... none
    - how many unsupported claims were made for it? ... none

    ..go figure that minimalism/barefoot interest and sales have dropped to such a low level and maximalism continues to grow.

    It is quite laughable when you now read what those evangelists are now saying about maximialism ... the way they try and rationalize it. Why not just admit they were wrong and mislead everyone with the promises and claims they made?

    (...and BTW; I do up to 50% of my runs in minimalist shoes!)
     
  6. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha Craig,

    It truly depends on what definition of "maximalism" you utilize.

    If it is the "this week- this flavor" marketing definition or a more scientific definition.

    Maximalism- must have significantly quantifiably improvements in energy return, stability, protection and recyclability.

    My thoughts are that we are just getting out of the blocks with maximalism which is so much more fun than just more foam.

    What about maximalism?
    - how many people were evangelizing about it? ... one

    A Hui Hou,
    Steve
     
  7. HansMassage

    HansMassage Active Member

    Weight lifters that train with a support belt fail to strengthen intrinsic muscles that support the spine and often injure themselves lifting in daily activities. Those that compete to there maximum capacity without a support belt may injure themselves by exceeding their tissue capacity.
    By that analogy Craig may be taking the balanced approach.
    (...and BTW; I do up to 50% of my runs in minimalist shoes!)
     
  8. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha,

    Those that drive everywhere and do not get in their APMA recomended 10,000 daily steps have a higher risk of diabeties and heart disease and depression and stroke.

    Should we ban cars?

    What should we do for those who cannot walk 10,000 steps a day without assistance, like my loving father who is a 20 year stroke survivor?

    Nature recently published a good example of gait and footwear maximalism and the research attempt to establish the results of its function. I am not sure they could have done this with foam.

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature14288.html

    Mahalo,
    Steve

    Dare you to move by Switchfoot.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOTcr9wKC-o
     
  9. I like to think that the truth eventually finds its way to the front, walking over and past those that have fallen on their faces in the pursuit of an agenda or set of ideas that had no basis in reality. This certainly seems to be the case of the barefoot/minimalist running shoe fad and how all those who were entrenched in that camp seem to have suddenly vanished from the scene. All of this simply makes me smile.
     
  10. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha,

    Perhaps Kevin it should make you cry instead of smile.
    "This certainly seems to be the case of the barefoot/minimalist running shoe fad and how all those who were entrenched in that camp seem to have suddenly vanished from the scene. All of this simply makes me smile." K.Kirby


    What big scientific advances did we achieve during this recent bought of minimalism?

    Could have our time and research money been better spent developing and testing maximalism?

    Personally it makes me frustrated and sad.

    Would you allow our soldiers go into battle with foam helmets on?

    Sounds kind of silly doesn't it?

    What protections are our soldiers given to protect their feet right now today? Composites or Foam?

    Will the Maximalist trend endure?
    It has to if we are doing our jobs and take oaths seriously.

    A hui hou,
    Steve


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    I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

    I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.


    I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

    I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

    I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

    I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

    I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

    I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

    I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.
    If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.[5]
    Written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University, and used in many medical schools today.
     
  11. You know what makes me frustrated and sad, Steve? What makes me frustrated and sad is that you can turn a discussion on any topic into an advertisement for your product that you sell. I just wish you advertised somewhere else where someone actually cared.:bang::craig::boxing:
     
  12. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha,

    Kevin, this is a thread on maximalism, a term I proposed on this website far before the current foamy shoe revolution hit on it.

    If you believe that the US Department of Defense and Army Medical Command research we completed for SBIR A11-109 "Advanced Composite Insoles for the Reduction of Stress Fractures" was just for a product i feel sad for you.

    I understand that you do not care but there are many many that do and that want to see us professionals develop and demand more.

    Although I will not comment on the politics of the following video I think the sad statistics may be correct and they should make you care.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlfQQnH6_Cc

    Mahalo,
    Steve

    Subject Matter Expert for the American Society of Testing Materials Committees
    -F13 Footwear Safety
    -E54.4 Homeland Security Applications and Personal Protective Equipment

    Prior Army Officer and Podiatrist
     
  13. There you go again, Steve. Spamming Podiatry Arena again. When will it end Craig?!
     
  14. FWIW

    Minimalist/barefoot shoes introduced me to Leg stiffness (kleg) discussions which have aided me a huge amount in thinking on how foot and leg functions
     
  15. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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