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New Clearanail Drill information request

Discussion in 'United Kingdom' started by Gareth Mcmullan, Apr 23, 2015.

  1. Suzannethefoot

    Suzannethefoot Active Member

    Hi Dave,

    The clearanail drill stops automatically before the drill bit reaches the toe, so there is no pain, or blood! When I have drilled previously, I have erred on the side of caution, so not gone all the way through, which does not work as well.

    Suzanne
     
  2. Ian Drakard

    Ian Drakard Active Member

    Disappeared from Algeos now?
     
  3. Suzannethefoot

    Suzannethefoot Active Member

    You can buy directly from him now, they must have had a bust up!
     
  4. Clearanail

    Clearanail Welcome New Poster

    Hello everyone,

    Clearanail has taken back distribution which means we can directly supply the Clearanail device and replacement SUMs. With effect from 21st March 2016, MDT Ltd will assume all distribution activities and support services in relation to its Clearanail range from Algeos.
    By mutual agreement between Algeos and MDT, all existing Clearanail customers will, with immediate effect, receive service, support and supplies direct from Clearanail. Please use the following email address for initial contact: info@clearanail.com.

    MDT and Algeos have ensured that all relevant customer information has been exchanged to ensure a seamless service and both parties part on good terms.

    If you have any other questions please don't hesitate to drop us an email.
    Many thanks
    Karin at Clearanail
     
  5. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    Would someone here please re-confirm the purchase cost? The device is just hitting the US market and they want $14,000 - lol
     
  6. blinda

    blinda MVP

    Yep, plus you have to pay for each drill bit per patient. In my experience, mechanical debridement every 12 weeks to assist penetration of choice of anti-fungal hits the spot, but that`s just me.
     
  7. I will sell you mine for $14,000! haha :drinks
    It was around ?2500 pounds which google tells me is 3500 us dollars.
    Hope this helps
     
  8. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member


    I would tend to want to agree. Aggressive debridement / burring together with topicals is the $14K cost saving alternative. The Clearanail system might appeals to a subset of patients and I am sure it can be marketed accordingly (ya, go figure: that's the US mentality ...)

    For that reason, I might consider purchasing the item, but only as an alternative, ancillary option to existing methods of treatment.

    But not for $14K. At the top of the link someone mentioned two thousand sterling pounds. That's somewhat more realistic. In my experience the manufacturer will pitch a price based on what the market wants to sustain. Same was true for the Laser technology, which ultimately failed to live up to expectation.
     
  9. Ian Drakard

    Ian Drakard Active Member

    Cost of normal drill= 0 (you probably already have one)
    Cost of .5mm diamond burr = ?5 or less

    Not getting this concept ;)
     
  10. Samt
    Re: New Clearanail Drill information request
    Right. I now have a new machine at my clinic. Here is a used code, so if anyone wants to try it and let us all know if it works. If it does then maybe we could post our own used codes and finally remove the pain in the backside that is the 30min/100hole limit. Heres the code 1391981. Let us all know if it works.

    That code works.......which got me thinking, i might try random codes.

    They are all working fine!! I think we have maybe just found a loophole to the ridiculous cost of the single use sum?! I tried 5 random codes and all worked, which means we can drill more than 30 mins and 100 holes per bit?? and surely we can now sterilize the bits? which is a huge saving. Delighted i tried that, wish i had of tried it last year now when i bought the machine.

    Im getting great results with it by the way
     
  11. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    Gareth,

    Thanks for the information. I suspected there might be a massive mark up from the distributor. After spotting the advert in PMNews today I spoke with the US distributor only this morning. I can see no good reason why the system should be sold at $14,000 in the US and 2,500 pounds in the UK. That aside, Clearanail 'clearly' have problems with holes in their machine based on the reports of poor quality control and machine failure.

    Hmmmm ......:confused:
     
  12. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    Dang Gareth, that's inspired and genius detective work. Undoubtedly the Clearnail people are reading this thread and will work to fix the work around and squeeze the money out of all.
     
  13. blinda

    blinda MVP

    The UK equivalent to `marketing` (Go kill yourself - Hicks) is the `machine which goes ping`. Yep, it does appeal to a `subset`.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd9NQxIeAAc
     
  14. Well they prob will but they cant change mine now as i already have it so until it breaks or needs serviced i think i am onto a winner, ha.
     
  15. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    Wait .... does the machine really "ping"?

    If so I'll definitely write a check for $14K. I can't resist a machine that pings.

    Boyz & Their Toyz .....
     
  16. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    That's likely the next catch. Years ago I invested in the Cryosurgery system for managing heel pain and Morton's Neuroma. The machine is programmed to switch off after so many treatments on the pre-text of "servicing schedule" i.e. time to dig in your wallet to pay out some more. That's even after spending thouuuuusands on purchase costs.

    Any wonder that healthcare is expensive?
     
  17. Medvice

    Medvice Member

    Please note that the SUMs are sharps that carry a significant risk or stick or puncture injury to the User and Patient.

    Users that ignore the Single Use warning are unnecessarily putting their Patients at risk and will not be covered by our insurance.

    We are offering a free software upgrade to all current Users that increases the treatment time from 30 to 45 minutes and allows for unlimited holes within this timeframe.

    Kind Regards,

    Dr Rolf Thomas
    CEO
    info@clearanail.com
    www.clearanail.com
     
  18. blinda

    blinda MVP

    The risk of needle-stick, puncture, etc from sharps is pretty well covered in our profession, as is cross-contamination but....Cool. So, any patient that makes a legal claim for an adverse event during (or post operatively) the course of treatment with the Clearanail drill will be picked up by your company, so long as we buy the SUMs from you.

    I`ll have 3 then, please.
     
  19. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    Do expand and explain a little better, Dr. Thomas. What has the 'single use warning' to do with 'stick or puncture' injury?

    A pair of nail nippers carries a significant risk of injury too. Do you not trust the trained health care professionals to exercise due care and diligence?
     
  20. Thanks Dr Rolf, i will send my machine to you straight away so you can "fix" the software and i assume you wont interfere with the machines ability to accept random codes when your at it?? Thanks, but no thanks
     
  21. Dieter Fellner

    Dieter Fellner Well-Known Member

    Silver Bullet

    1. An infallible means of attack and defense
    2. A simple remedy for a difficult or intractable problem


    Clearnail, is the 'silver bullet' for fungal nail treatment globally, says Dr. Thomas, with results evident within two weeks.

    While Clearanail is available in the UK for some time, this has yet to make an impact on the health-care consumer in the US, where demand is often client- driven, after marketing in the newspaper, TV & radio commercials etc.

    The US distributor, the very enthusiastic Dr. Zuckerman hails Clearanail as "the next biggest development" in the management of the mycotic nail, offering a patient a "one-off treatment and cure" option. Clever engineering allows the clinician to create multiple 'micro-pores' without pain. His is a vision of multi-media, mass marketing. He can't get the units fast enough to satisfy demand. The inventor, Dr. R. Thomas, a PhD robotics engineer, struggles to adapt the manufacture and distribution network fast enough to accommodate the demand, according to US sources. Not only is this a revolutionary development, but we have the research evidence, says Dr.Zuckerman.

    So, can Clearanail live up to the hype? Early adopters of Clearanail report encouraging results but find better results in the great-toe nail, with poorer outcome in lesser nails. It is unclear, yet, if the treatment can be effective for all types & grades of mycotic infection. To the best of my knowledge there are no randomized, prospective trials published, as yet.

    Clearanail is a technologically enhanced version and better tolerated trephine technique. It is, in essence, a means to improve drug-delivery to the affected nail and nail bed, via 'micro-pores'. The delivery of up to twenty, 0.4mm micro-pores, is permanent and highly visible, until the nail re-grows.

    Effectiveness of the treatment will, ultimately, remain dependent on good patient compliance with daily application of anti-fungal medication. And re-infection will always remain a risk that will require from a patient preventative care for skin, footwear and hosiery.

    A fee-paying patient lured by marketing will have high expectations. A silver-bullet will offer a patient a one-off, immediately effective and permanent cure of the infection with restoration of a healthy, cosmetically appealing nail plate. A patient's expectations will, as is often the case, need to be tempered and realistic. Clearanail cannot be more than what it is.

    The grossly infected nail will likely require from a patient many weeks or months of ongoing treatment. A treatment can be compromised when it is dependent on daily patient administered treatments. Contrary to claims, there is no strong published evidence yet, but this deficit can be corrected in time. The drill can certainly provide a Podiatrist with a very useful addition to the tool-box.

    Congratulation to Dr. Rolf, who certainly deserves recognition for his innovative design. I will be inclined to be more generous, in my praise, if he addresses the nonsense restrictions, discussed above, clearly designed to keep on ringing the suppliers cash-register.

    Is Clearanail the much awaited 'silver bullet'? This is certainly a welcome and useful bullet. But this is a bullet that is made of more base material.
     
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