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A whole new kind of stupid!!

Discussion in 'Podiatry Trivia' started by Robertisaacs, Feb 25, 2011.


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    This one came up on another forum.

    Foot reading


    It seems that Bunions are caused by helping people too much. Left foot for the present and right foot for the past. :D:D

    Hilarious stuff!

    Up to this one which I felt obliged to post on the forum for (be interesting to see if the comment gets pulled. )

    Black line running up one side of a toenail.:eek: Apparently situational depression...:mad:


    Gonna kill someone like that!!
  2. blinda

    blinda MVP

  3. Catfoot

    Catfoot Well-Known Member

    This is just plain irresponsible.

    Unfortunately, I don't know of any law in UK that could shut this type of practitioner down.


  4. W J Liggins

    W J Liggins Well-Known Member

    Hey Rob

    If they weren't depressed before, they are now after your timely intervention!

    Well done, at least it'll have them scurrying to someone with an ounce of sense who will hopefully give them a damn good rollicking also.



    PS. What sort of homeopathic remedy did you use on that acral melanoma, or did you think it serious enough to subject it to the power of crystals?
  5. twirly

    twirly Well-Known Member

    It may already be too late!

    The original posting was some time ago.

  6. RobinP

    RobinP Well-Known Member

    nice one Robert
  7. cornmerchant

    cornmerchant Well-Known Member

    So we are all up in arms about this so called foot reading.

    How does this differ from unregulated foot health practitioners seeing patients and not knowing what they are looking at?

  8. W J Liggins

    W J Liggins Well-Known Member

    Dunno, I'd have to be able to read their feet to tell you that!

  9. twirly

    twirly Well-Known Member

    Hi cornmerchant,

    Only my thoughts on your post.

    The difference is that without statistics & written evidence it would be wholly wrong for us to class all providers of foot care who happen not to be podiatrists as dangerous & without the necessary skills to pass/refer patients on to someone more appropriately qualified when necessary.

    The post regarding this 'foot reader' indicates & names the individual who (in my opinion) should look forward to a civil suit brought about due entirely her complete ignorance of potentially fatal conditions which may present in the foot.

    Kind regards,

  10. cornmerchant

    cornmerchant Well-Known Member


    Ha ha , let me know what you find out!

    Good point, but let's face it who has carried out the statistics and written evidence? We all have anecdotal evidence that the unregulated have either caused a problem or failed to make a diagnosis correctly. I won't hold my breath for a referral, it has not happened in 17 years of practise.

    But back to the foot reader- if the public are so stupid, they deserve what they get. It is about time that individuals started taking responsibility for their own choices. There are always going to be cowboys out there making a quick buck.

  11. I would say the difference between a foot reader and an FHP (or indeed poditrist) who failed to act on this would be that the FHP and podiatrists are marketing themselves as qualified to give a medical opinion. The foot reader is more akin to a palm reader or reflexologist.

    Would you sue a massage therapist for failing to spot a suspicious mole on someones back? No.

    And Cornmerchant makes a good point about personal responsibility. This is obviously not anyone with any substantial medical training.

    That said, I wonder if you showed a picture of that to 100 podiatrists, how many would see it for what it was?

    Not 100 I suspect.
    Well, given that the patient went to a "foot reader" with a suspicious lesion I'd say we'd be looking for the compound which causes extreme stupidity. Perhaps a 40 c dilution of special brew?
  12. Joe Bean

    Joe Bean Active Member

    Has the UK really sunk to this?

    While your HPC persecutes genuine practitioners your government allows others, unregulated, to practice with impunity. At the same time the crazies get prime time TV coverage.

    Then the cream of UK posters play with a serious issue, and it turns yet again into the regulated supporting the unregulated.

    It's similar to the debate about foreign students and 'proper courses' as long as those courses suited the government there was not an issue now we 'need' to control immigration they will be investigated.

    The UK is a political mess, for far too long it has gone down the road of political correctness and that has infiltrated every aspect of society.

    Of course Cornmechant is correct and it is down to individuals choice, but do individuals still really have a choice?

    Would the UK be a better country if it sat on a fault line? No disrespect to New Zealand but as we are now learning should we build cities on flood plains?
  13. twirly

    twirly Well-Known Member

    Hi Joe & :welcome: aboard,

    Just to enquire. You do not mention your location, are you based in the UK or elsewhere?

    My next question was where in this thread does a regulated clinician show support for any unregulated individual?

    Kindest regards,

    Mandy. :drinks
  14. Catfoot

    Catfoot Well-Known Member


    I would agree with this in part, Robert.

    Here we have a case of "caveat emptor" as Cornmerchant points out.

    All the on-line promotional material from private training schools (for FHPs) use clever rhetoric in their advertising ie: they say their students have "a complete grounding" in footcare, will be qualified to treat "common conditions", advise with "day-to-day footcare". Nowhere do they say that their practitioners will be "experts" or "specialists" in footcare.

    So if an FHP puts on their own website that they are a "Foot Care Specialist/Expert" and they fail to diagnose a malignant melanoma, then they are in big trouble. Their insurance could well be invalidated and their professional body would probably drop them like a hot potato.

    Pods on the other hand are expected to be able to recognise these rarer conditions and deal with them appropriately.


  15. Steady on there old boy!

    Firstly I happen to be very proud to live in the UK. It's not perfect but then nowhere is. I'm rather glad we're not on a faultline.

    Secondly, whilst the system is far from perfect, it's far easier to stand at the side and throw stones than to make any kind of contribution to improving things. Perhaps you might consider trying that.

    Thirdly, one of the things I find most frustrating about UK podiatry is it's fixation with the hpc and the unregulated. This thread had nothing whatever to do with fhps. This is a random strange person not an unregistered podiatrist or an fhp. And yet as if by magic it's evolved to that. I doubt this thread will add much to that complex and sensitive issue.

    Finally, I don't know which post you thought constituted a regulated practitioner supporting the unregulated but I would question your position to make such a criticism.

    Broad blanket statements, hpc bad, political correctness bad, UK bad, regulated good, regulated supporting unregulated bad etc do little to contribute to this complex debate.
  16. cornmerchant

    cornmerchant Well-Known Member

    Joe bean

    Well for a first time poster you have indeed made your mark. Now that you have been suitably chastised I suggest you crawl under the carpet with us lesser mortals who also dont go with the flow.

    I personally thought your post was pretty insightful .

  17. Vive la difference.
  18. Johnpod

    Johnpod Active Member

    From the Footreader forum.......

    "HI there

    It was the right side next to the 3rd toe, I have noticed lately that the blackness on her 3rd toe is slowly growing out, its almost half grown out and I can see a clear nail underneath, I understand from her that she is being stalled in progressing in her business, her partner doesn't really support her hence she doesn't have the full confidence to progress. maybe something is shiftin in her life and things are looking brighter , without being too nosey in her life I'm not sure which has happend to her of late.... but her nail is displaying a clearer side ..."

    Not one of you has troubled to read further.... melanomas do not 'grow out'....so it was not a melamoma. Never was, nohow.

    You all need to realise - do some reading! - that 'black' lines are not always acral lentiginous melanoma, and that dark areas are observed in the nails for many other reasons (race, haematoma, splinter haemorrhage, chronic bowel disease, some fungal conditions spring to mind immediately).

    In diagnosis, the art of recognition is to take in ALL the clues, and not to jump to conclusions that may well be unconfirmed and ill-founded. Jumping to conclusions is a formula for egg on the face. 'Professionals' who jump to the wrong diagnosis with applying differentials are of very little more use than those ignorant of such things.

    May I suggest that you all join CM under the carpet? Rather you than me!:rolleyes:
  19. Johnpod, Read it again. I've highlighted the important bits for you.

    Go back, johnpod, and read again. IT (the black line on the second toenail) was NEXT to the 3rd toe. The blackness on the 3rd toe is growing out. But the initial post is of a line on the 2nd toe. Which we are told is not

    Not all black lines are caused by melanoma. I suspect this is a bruise. But some are. Upon which basis is it wise to ignore or assume? Or is it better to refer if in doubt.

    The art of diagnosis also involves knowing the difference between the 2nd toe and the 3rd toe.
  20. Catfoot

    Catfoot Well-Known Member



  21. Joe Bean

    Joe Bean Active Member

    So is diagnosis

    'identifying the nature of an illness or other problem by examination of the symptoms'

    an art or a science?
  22. I'd say a little of both.

    It has to be based on science. But there is a good deal of intuition involved as well. A lot of variables to subtle or complex to analyse scientifically. For eg, consider colour in feet with PVD. How would you go about quantifying a colour scale for all the shades of red white and blue? Very hard. But an experienced podiatrist knows a bad colour when they see it.
  23. Joe Bean

    Joe Bean Active Member

    But an experienced podiatrist knows a bad colour when they see it.

    So Mr Issacs how do you define an experienced podiatrist?
  24. Mr Been.

    You know one when you see it.

    They're a lot like ischaemic feet in that regard.
  25. danieldanielone

    danieldanielone Welcome New Poster

    Everyday I meet a new kind of stupid. if I recall correctly, there was no one waiting to enter the elevator when I arrived at the bottom floor. An issue of the reliability of heuristics?
  26. Kaleidoscope

    Kaleidoscope Active Member

    Hi Robert,

    So enjoyed reading these posts!!! I am astounded at those that profess to be 'professional' and do this (unfortunately as was stated above... they have NO formal medical training and its more like tarot-reading etc.) BUT I wonder (?) did you perchance read what they replied to YOUR warning message?????

    I state it below!

    (FootReader) says:-

    ".....Been thinking about what you are discussing. Yes, if you're positioned as a foot health practitioner then it would constitute negligence not to discuss the physical aspects and treatment thereof.

    If you're reading feet emotionally as a foot reader, then it's always useful to refer the client to a foot health practitioner if you're not already one.

    Also wondering if you'd like to write an article about some common physical things that you see on the feet that need referral. I can put it in my Pampering Times newsletter. I loved that you included a photo of the melanoma so that we can identify it. I'd like to see more of that sort of knowledge sharing.

    In my foot reading classes I remind everyone that it's not just emotional, there's often a physical reason behind what we are seeing and that it may need treatment. I'm in the middle of writing my new website, so will see about putting a message to that effect on there.

    All the best and thanks for sharing

    I think your comment was totally lost on her!!!!!! ( I suppose you could frighten them with ALL your pics but I dont think that was quite what she wants in her PAMPERING TIMES!!!!)


    P.s. Bet-you-love-it !!!!
  27. I'm getting really curious about you ;).

    No I did not read the reply. I became sidetracked by yet another type of stupid. Futile blogging in the comments section.


    The "drinking bleach cures cancer" type. But I'll revisit this one. Will make a nice change. Thanks for the heads up!
  28. On second thoughts I can't be arsed. Pearls before swine and that.
  29. Kaleidoscope

    Kaleidoscope Active Member


    See you at Gt Portland Street !

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