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How would 'Water Memory' change our approach to medicine?

Discussion in 'General Issues and Discussion Forum' started by bmjones1234, Oct 13, 2013.

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  1. bmjones1234

    bmjones1234 Active Member


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    Hi all,

    Just an open prompting thought from this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg

    If water does indeed have a memory, which is not unreasonable to claim when linking to the work completed by Masaru Emoto.

    Would this give Homeopathy more credence?

    Is it actually the water alterations that do the healing and not the compound added, but the message delivered through the medium of water.

    Can we reproduce this effect and if so, how does it affect various pathogens and genetic abnormalities or indeed, even health DNA?

    Could this be linked to Cymatics:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbHAg

    Possibly adding supportive for therapeutic ultrasound, but at a much more molecular level.

    This is only a humble post to see with the Podiatry community thinks, but would be good to get some RCT level research if any one has it about this 'Water Memory' and potential medical possibilities.

    Many Thanks!
     
    bmjones1234, Oct 13, 2013
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  2. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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    Water memory is a load of bull****.
    It is a scam perpetuated by homeopathy to justify their fraud.
     
    Craig Payne, Oct 13, 2013
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  3. Griff

    Griff Moderator

    As the famous quote goes...

    "You know what they call alternative medicine that has been proven to work? ..... Medicine."
     
    Griff, Oct 13, 2013
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  4. admin

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    Water memory

    Water memory is the purported ability of water to retain a memory of substances previously dissolved in it even after an arbitrary number of serial dilutions. It has been claimed to be a mechanism by which homeopathic remedies work, even when they are diluted to the point that no molecule of the original substance remains, but there is no evidence for it.

    Water memory is an example of pseudoscience and contradicts the scientific understanding of physical chemistry and is generally not accepted by the scientific community. In 1988, Jacques Benveniste and colleagues published a study supporting a water memory effect amid controversy in Nature,[1] accompanied by an editorial by Nature's editor John Maddox[2] urging readers to "suspend judgement" until the results could be replicated. In the years after publication, multiple supervised experiments were made by Benveniste's team, the United States Department of Defense,[3] BBC's Horizon programme,[4] and other researchers, but no one has ever reproduced Benveniste's results under controlled conditions.

    1. ^ Cite error: The named reference benveniste was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
    2. ^ Maddox, John; Randi, James; Stewart, Walter W. (1988). ""High-dilution" experiments a delusion". Nature. 334 (6180): 287–290. Bibcode:1988Natur.334..287M. doi:10.1038/334287a0. PMID 2455869. S2CID 9579433.
    3. ^ Bellamy, Jann (8 August 2013). "Integrative Medicine Invades the U.S. Military: Part Three". Science-Based Medicine. Retrieved 1 October 2017.
    4. ^ Cite error: The named reference bbc was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
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  6. Walking1

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    I tend to have the same opinion as Craig its a load of Cr** that water has a memory.
     
    Walking1, Oct 14, 2013
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  7. wdd

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    There is no doubt that water has forgotten more than the world has ever known (and it did within 50millionths of a nanosecond).

    The bit that's interesting for me is included in the statement, Benveniste admitted to having noticed this himself. "He stated that certain individuals consistently get digital effects and other individuals get no effects or block those effects."

    Without looking for supernatural answers, is it correct? If it is correct: what percentage of people have the 'talent/skill'; Is it consistent; how can it be explained?

    If the above statement is true, depending on the extent of their 'talents', it might be necessary to prevent them from becoming researchers as double blind might at best mean 20/20 vision for them and at worst in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

    If I was flogging homeopathic medicines I would search out the 'individuals who consistently get digital effects' to do my research. It is possible that a form of subconscious self selection takes place in this area and that these individuals are already more concentrated in homeopathic research? Why limit it to homeopathic research?

    Bill
     
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  8. Lab Guy

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    If you actually read the posts on Podiatry Arena, you will find this forum to spend their time on evidence based science. Craig does a good job in bringing to light the pseudoscience that continues to proliferate in the media and on the web.

    If water had memory than just think about that for a moment. Our body is made up of about 60% water. 70% of our total water content is intracellular. Knowing that, why not close your eyes for 15 minutes before going to bed, and meditate on your body water absorbing your thoughts of love and radiant health. Allow the power of your spiritual intent to carry every water molecule with the memory of being young and healthy.

    Maybe then you will be less likely to get "disease" as you will then be at "ease". You will not need doctors or medication, you will always be balanced and healthy.

    Let us know how it works out for you.

    Steven
     
    Lab Guy, Oct 15, 2013
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  9. efuller

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    It sure might make your urine more valuable.;)
     
    efuller, Oct 17, 2013
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  10. Deborah Ferguson

    Deborah Ferguson Active Member

    Hi

    And I suppose if all the water on earth has always been there since the beginning of time going round and round in a cycle then it must have trillions and zillions and squillions of memories so how does it know which memory to retain at any one time.

    Must be magic :))

    Deborah
     
    Deborah Ferguson, Oct 17, 2013
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  11. Lab Guy

    Lab Guy Well-Known Member

    And to think I thought the world was created 6000 years ago?:D
    I better buy a better water filter!
    Steven
     
    Lab Guy, Oct 17, 2013
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  12. Craig Payne

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