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Discussion in 'United Kingdom' started by twirly, Dec 20, 2008.

  1. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    Wendy,

    I’m sorry I exposed you to this situation, but it may be a very harsh lesson in ‘real life’.

    The hopes and aspirations of new entrants into the profession of Podiatry are wonderful, and should never be discouraged.

    But I believe that society forgets it’s history at it’s peril, and this thread is showing you a bit of that history.


    So where have we got to so far? Orthopods one response from Derek, an honest view from his position, Bill a stalwart and Johnpod the shy. All pretty predictable, however you did not do much of a job in forcing the debate on Orthopeds.

    Remember my original challenge? Is there really any interest in ‘Unity’? I feel not.

    IMO on the whole the members of the Podiatry community are not political animals. They moan about what their elected/appointed leaders do but do nothing about it. Membership organisations are in the main made up of members who have been through the same ‘training route’, so embrace that organisations ethos. There are a few notable exceptions.

    Can I suggest that if you remain committed to your beliefs and are a Society member there are a number of ways you can promote your cause.

    The members forum, will certainly get a response, outrageous positions will even sometimes temp a Council member out of purdar.

    Your local branch is large and active, you could participate and suggest ‘joint ventures’ with local other bodies they sometimes already do it. No rules against it.

    You could try and get on your branch committee and exert influence there, they are always happy for volunteers.

    You could craft a motion to go to the Delegates Assembly where it would be debated by about 90 representative and motivated members. This would force a response from Council

    You could with only minimum support put forward a Ordinary Resolution to the AGM.

    I do not know how the other organisations work but I suspect in a similar way.

    All of this is possible; sadly I doubt it would make a difference.

    Bob Golding
     
  2. twirly

    twirly Well-Known Member

    Hi Bob,

    Totally agree with the statement above. For too long apathy & ignorance has proven to be the mainstay in podopolitics.

    I admit until recently I too was unaware that the potential for future change lies in the hands of members (of all organisations).

    If change is to occur, influence must be generated by those providing the workforce. ie. Us.

    :good:

    This is where I believe many do not realise their voice can potentially be heard. Not just one opinion but potentially a chorus of like minded individuals adding weight to an individual members/groups thirst for change.

    Many regards,

    Mandy.
     
  3. W J Liggins

    W J Liggins Well-Known Member

    I wish that I could disagree with you Bob, but sadly, in my view you are correct.

    Just as a depressing little piece of history I offer the following quotation:

    "This New Year will be an important year for Joint Council (of Chiropodists) members. As a profession we shall be faced with serious problems that should be dealt with by a united free and unfettered profession, free from the dead hand of the Board of Registered Medical Auxilliaries, are we again to face these problems alone? Or is there going to be co-operation between us and the Society? We of the Joint Council have always extended the hand of co-operation. We are now waiting for the Society to move in the matter. Let 19?? then be a year of understanding and co-operation". A G Pezarro. Chairman of the Council.

    So what was the year....1952.

    Le plus ce change, le plus le meme chose.

    I wish you the best of luck Wendy, but when dealing with brick walls you are likely to develop a headache. If I may presume to offer a small piece of advice - always look for the hidden agenda.

    All the best

    Bill Liggins
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2009
  4. davidh

    davidh Podiatry Arena Veteran

    It has been my observation that each of the professional bodies have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo - to a greater or lesser degree for the good of themselves rather than the profession as a whole.

    The bigger the organisation the more effort is put into making sure things don't change much. SMAE and the Institute are still willing to meet and discuss. We don't know about the Alliance or Stonebridge, but we do know that the SCP (the biggest UK Pod professional body) are not willing to move much at all.

    Bob said (of the SCP):
    "You could craft a motion to go to the Delegates Assembly where it would be debated by about 90 representative and motivated members. This would force a response from Council" - and if I really wanted to stifle any initiative from membership I guess this is as good a way as any.

    As Bill advised - always look for the hidden agenda.

    Anyway, Wendy has started the thread on the UK forum (url below) so interested parties please visit.

    Cheers,
     
  5. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    David

    If I did not know better I might think you are suggesting I have a hidden agenda?

    Not very nice from a moderator?

    I di not 'say of the SCP' I pointed out mechanisms within Wendy's professional body by which she could explore her beliefs: lots of them.

    On what do you base your statement :

    and if I really wanted to stifle any initiative from membership I guess this is as good a way as any.

    Bob said (of the SCP):
    "You could craft a motion to go to the Delegates Assembly where it would be debated by about 90 representative and motivated members. This would force a response from Council" - and if I really wanted to stifle any initiative from membership I guess this is as good a way as any.

    As Bill advised - always look for the hidden agenda.


    If the BChPA and the Institute are so ready to talk why do they not start? You do not need the SCP?

    Talking costs nothing.

    And finally why have you not helped Wendy on the UK forum?

    Excellent example of history Wendy.

    Bob Golding
     
  6. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    Hi Bob


    Yes probably that could be assumed if we were that cynical:rolleyes:

    I have been resisting getting involved here because as we both know the outcome already dont we bob :deadhorse:

    I think in your position as a "big wheel" in the SCP and having your past knowledge and "opinion", it really is somewhat questionable to lead a "newbie" down this road dont you :mad:

    If the all powerful SCP want to sort the profession out, why dont YOU do all you are suggesting Wendy does and get them talking with the rest ?? as you state

    So if that is the case YOU get them to start talking YOU use your power and influence from within, but ask yourself if this is the case WHY have they not done it already :sinking:

    Me I'll sit back and await the outcome:cool:

    Cheers

    Derek;)
     
  7. W J Liggins

    W J Liggins Well-Known Member

    Hello Bob

    If you care to look at my previous (ad nauseum) postings on this subject, I have always made it absolutely clear that all the professional bodies must be freely involved from the outset. If this does not occur then, as I am sure you will accept, agreement made between two bodies and then presented to a third body will be automatically rejected because of the suspicion of a 'done deal'. Anything less than unanimity and the government will simply use the divide and conquer tactics which have been so successful in the past.

    If you are tied up on the ground with six other people with similar interests and a big, hairy, ugly character is giving you all a damn good kicking in the goolies, then its a good idea to band together and tear his leg off with your teeth. That is what the medical and the dental professions have done so successfully in the past. The problem with this profession is that we assist the big, hairy, ugly character by tearing each others throats out instead.

    All the best

    Bill
     
  8. SarahR

    SarahR Active Member

    It seems that we're all in the same leaky professional boat. Unfortunately, though we're the best trained in all that we do as foot specialists, there is nothing we do that is restricted to only us. How many botched PNA/TNAs have you seen in your office from GPs/Surgeons? I've seen enough, and have only been at this for 2 years full time.

    We’ve got a similar problem going on in Ontario Canada with alternate providers. Family Health Teams cannot attract Chiropodists, due in part to appallingly low wages and a lack of benefits packages, combined with a lack of capital funding to purchase proper treatment chairs, Podiatry drills, nippers, etc.
    Some have started sending an RN or RPN off for foot care training. A few weekends, and they’ve “learned it all”, even high risk Diabetes foot care! (Can you hear the sarcasm??) AND GET THIS!! An RN with foot care training would be paid MORE than a Chiropodist at this type of clinic!!!

    There are also some for-profit medical clinics run by Doctors where foot care is free, provided by RPN with goodness knows what training who are also debriding calluses AND are having people walk across a pressure mat and stand in a foam box for orthotics, which are a STEAL, at almost $100 less than a properly trained Registered Chiropodist would charge. They work under the ‘supervision’ of a General Practitioner Doctor, and he bills OHIP for foot care performed under his delegation/supervision. When I was a student, we had someone with Type 1 diabetes who'd exchanged an interdigital corn for a raging infection at the site of a nick/cut from care at this clinic, she wound up at our clinic for "limb salvage" as a last ditch attempt to save her oh too young leg (the Chiropodists were successful!).

    I mean, you’d be stupid to get an orthotic from the Chiropodist over here (so I was told by a guy who called to inquire about our policies). They cost so much more. And unlike the back specialist down the road, I don't give you a 'free' pair of shoes which winds up being rolled into the orthotics fee and covered by your 3rd party insurance. Of course they don’t work nearly as well, but it’s “all the same, isn’t it??”

    Unfortunately, some alternate foot care providers are learning a monkey-see monkey-do kind of treatment/orthotics prescription technique, with no assessment and clinical integration skills. It doesn’t take a genius to notice that the foot is red, the pulses are weak, or the person’s monofilament sense is absent. It does however, take a properly trained Podiatrist/Chiropodist to decide if that person is at risk for ulceration and what's going to cause it, initiate offloading or teach someone how a shoe should fit, or to understand that that aching that’s started along with some heat in the midtarsal area might be the beginning of Charcot in that patient with poor biomech and diabetic neuropathy, or realize that the client has critical limb ischemia and perhaps we’ll just nip off a little bit of nail and mostly file rather than go to town to get off every bit of free edge to avoid ingrown toenail catastrophe.

    An untrained (or inadequately trained) individual came to a gentleman’s home and cut his toenails. He subsequently got onychocryptosis on almost every nail on the left foot (although I suspect it may have actually been a case of injury to sulcal grove + critical ischemia = arterial insufficiency ulcerations). He went on vacation, and most of his nails were subsequently removed by a surgeon (doplar??) and upon return home he wound up having his left foot and lower leg removed step-wise in the patented “Northern Ontario Vascular Examination” (again doplar??? TCPO2?? Anything???).

    But in all the cases I've heard about, the care giver meant well. They were trying to help out. They did the best they could with their training. They were free or charged $10 less than I do (work in a low cost hospital clinic, $25/visit) and even came to his house and soaked his feet first. They didn't know about training level or standards of practice. They didn't know the difference between a "Lady who does nails"/Podologist/Foot Care Nurse/Personal Support Worker/Pedorthist/Chiropodist and couldn't make an informed choice when seeking out care. Patients are not suing.

    You can get a BScPodology in ST. Kitts in association with the North American School of Pedicuring. It's aprox 16 days of in class, followed by a week "internship". I don't even have a BSc in Chiropody (not avaliable in Canada though I am considered equivalent by international licencing bodies), but the fact that this other degree is basically esthetician's advanced foot care is NOT understood by the public.

    One day the dam will burst and people will realize not all nail cutting is routine and most other providers who's "scope and training" includes these unrestricted acts do not have the clinical skill to discern who should be taken care of by someone more qualified. A little bit (too little) of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. I'm okay with them working under supervision on people who are routine, but some independent operators in the community are wreaking havoc on the public's health and lead to greater costs on the public purse through preventable amputations and the excessive amount of money spent on inadequately provided wound care when wounds could have been prevented in the first place.

    We need to advertise. As a group. I see "trust your eyes/back/etc to an Optometrist/Chiropractor/JoeProfessional" all the time. We need to brand Podiatrists/Chiropodists as the FOOT CARE PROVIDER OF CHOICE, not only to the public but also to the medical community at large. In Ontario, we've been too preoccupied with the Podiatrist/Chiropodist debate and have allowed others infiltrate the market. I've had many patients lament the fact that they'd already spent their orthotics $$ elsewhere before they found out about me. "Why didn't my doc send me here first?" I did a presentation showing him my orthotics and educating about my services last year. You'd have to ask him that question.

    Unfortunately I make pitiful money compared to other health care providers, hopefully this will change soon if I can get out into private practice with this debt load I'm dragging around like a ball and chain. If everyone contributed, we might just get somewhere, but it's hard enough just to get people to pay for a yearly association fee.

    That's my rant...

    Sarah Robinson
     
  9. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    Bill,

    Very quickly I appreciate what you say about 'all' being involved but while you set that criteria nothing happens. The Society is notoriously pragmatic, BChPA however are seen as proactive, so pro act and you may get a react(pragmatic).

    Bob

    Now to Derek.

    Derek I'm very confused by your post, I thought there was a limit on the number of smilies in any one post, and I still cannot figure out how to do quotes? no matter.

    However what does come across loud and clear is the misconception you have of how the Society works and my humble position in it; what you describe as 'My power and influence

    Up until January this year that extended to

    a) being a chair of a small SCP branch, and elected position and subject to the direction of my committee.

    b) being the Chair of the SW regional Branch Committee, again elected and again subject to the majority decisions of the group. SWRBC is a small RBC of only 4 branches in contrast to SERC which has 12.

    The SCP have 5 RBCs and 3 National Forums, the role is ill defined but mainly they are there to co ordinate functions between Council and the branches. Arguably there are over 50 branches but not all are active.

    So we are looking at a much more complex structure than other organizations, from memory I think BChPA have about 13 'branches'? Institute a few less and Alliance 5 and expanding? Stonebridge as far as I know does not have a membership organization?

    The 'power' within the SCP is vested in the Council, 24 elected members who in effect are directors of the company and as such have 'supreme power'.

    It is the Council who have the authority to talk on behalf of the Society and to make binding decisions.

    Therefore when ever I debate on forums it is always as an individual, all be it a member of the SCP, but I cannot and never do speak on their behalf

    The advice/guidance I gave Wendy was genuine and in good faith. I used my 13 years experience of being an individual in a low level of Society governance to explain the channels available to try and influence Council policy.

    I have been involved in all except offering a AGM resolution. I am a politically motivated individual but have no desire to go onto Council, despite many offers of support.

    I also believe I understand the limitations of the democratic process which is why I ended my post with

    all of this is possible; sadly I doubt it would make a difference.

    Both Mandy and Bill have acknowledged my post for what it was.

    I do not understand why David first and now you have to be so cynical?

    Bob Golding
     
  10. Johnpod

    Johnpod Active Member

    It seems that cynicism and pedantry are global traits and that common sense is anything other than common.

    For instance, the official attitude of the Alliance is there to be read upon its webpages www.thealliancepsp.com

    This has been there to be read on a daily basis for quite some time. The Alliance is now seven years established

    When the Institute were last approached by the Alliance, they saw no point in us meeting.

    When the Society held 'unity' talks the Alliance was not invited. The Society then went on to attempt to poach members from all other bodies.

    This is the history of interbody cooperation to date.

    The Association has been dead five years, since the Alliance killed them. Bill has a lot to learn before he becomes Chairman of the General Podiartic Council.
     
  11. davidh

    davidh Podiatry Arena Veteran

    Hi Bob,

    Quotes are not so hard - just press the "quote" button (bottom of post you want to quote from).

    Can't comment on the efficacy of the SCP Delegate system, but I'm willing to bet nothing much meaninful gets through to Council level.

    Re: Helping Wendy on the UK forum - but I have.
     
  12. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    Can't comment on the efficacy of the SCP Delegate system,


    But David you already have It was the 'bold' stuff in my pre quoting post.



    but I'm willing to bet nothing much meaningful gets through to Council level.

    Then again above.


    Now I'm not really a betting man, not a natural risk taker and I like to know what I'm asked to bet on. But in this case I'm prepared to take you on. Obviously we need to agree on your definition of 'meaningful', and through to Council.

    Whoops 1st attempt pathetic no quotes?

    So back to using italics.


    Re: Helping Wendy on the UK forum - but I have.[/QUOTE]

    I have not checked since this am but up until then only one person Derek had engaged and the tread is buried inside a FHP topic.

    Have you pm her on how to be a bit more specific in her post or even started a new thread for her, perhaps with her original posting on this site copied.

    Still nice to see we have not started the New Year bickering with each other, and instead trying to move on in the debate.

    I forgive your inability to always have a pop at the SCP it's very understandable.

    Bob Golding
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2009
  13. Wendy

    Wendy Active Member

    Here goes.......
    Thank you Bill for the quotation, this is exactly what needs to be resurrected every now and again so that it can be looked at again (and again if necessary);)
    I try to find out about issues to attain more understanding and resolution if possible (people usually point it out to me and then that annoys me:bash:).

    Bob
    Again thanks for the detailed insight to the wheels that grind in the SCP, perhaps an AGM resolution should be put forward so that Council can question the status quo (not Rossi/Parfett et al - though that could be fun;)). You mention that you are politically motivated yet do not wish to be involved in council, that is a shame. Maybe the size of the SCP is part of the problem?

    Sarah
    I am sorry that the state of podiatry in Canada is in such a pickle, is it across all states or just Northern Ontario as I understand that each state has it's own rules.

    David
    I would just like to let everyone interested know that you have been very helpful with my thread on the said forum and again thank you.

    Everyone seems to want the best for the profession without giving any compromise. All I am questioning is why people are unwilling to look at the history of what has happened and see ways to change for the better, that is what history is for - to avoid making the same mistakes.
    Anything worth having won't come easy and will upset some more than others however if it means the profession comes across as united the patients will get a better service,other health professions might acknowlege our expertise more readily and govt. might take us more seriously.
    Best wishes to one and all
    Wendy
     
  14. davidh

    davidh Podiatry Arena Veteran

    Bob,

    We're now way off-topic so I'll answer your post and then bow out.
    Wendy started a new thread on the UK forum, to which I've contributed. It's in the members-only section.

    I don't have an inability to have a pop at the SCP - I find it very easy.
     
  15. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    David

    Always ready to apoligise when wrong.

    As I'm not a member I would not know that.

    Sorry to all

    Bob.
     
  16. twirly

    twirly Well-Known Member

    David, I am not usually one to start an argument. However, I must insist it is bad form to engage then hide in another guise.

    Many are aware that R.E.G is unable to continue to contribute in the Orthopeds forum.

    If a fair counter argument is to be permitted I would suggest that Pod' Arena would provide an more equal forum for debate.

    Many thanks to all for my learning curve.

    Gentlemen...........
     
  17. davidh

    davidh Podiatry Arena Veteran

    Hi Mandy,

    I have no problem with that. My point was that this is off-topic for the Age Cocern thread. If someone would like to start another thread on here I'll happily contribute.

    Regards,
     
  18. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    Hi Twirls

    If you look at my reply to Wendy on the Registered members thread on OTPds you will understand that is exactly what I was suggesting.

    Bob knows very well he cannot access certain parts of that forum because of his own behavior there.:eek:

    To direct Wendy to start a discussion on that forum he cannot access (except as a troll / anon) on the main forum AND, to direct her to on the SCP forum is IMHO as I stated "questionable" as far as "a hidden agenda" goes

    Bob has the experience AND position in the SCP , if he can bring the sides together let him do it !!

    He has had many years of experience as he states in the organisation even to the point of " Council" albeit he declined the position,

    My gripe is he is promoting a response from a comparative "Newbie" who with the best intentions wants to unite the profession and again IMHO is " setting her up"

    I will not get involved with the debate as it is been done to death:deadhorse:

    BUT

    With new blood perhaps something new will come out of it ,but NOT if the new blood is sent on the wrong path from the start :craig:

    That smacks of vested interests and protection of a cause .

    Always happy to help with your education :D

    Oh and Bob you can use 6 smilies on a post and as you can see , as usual ,I take full advantage:rolleyes:

    Cheers

    Derek;)
     
  19. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    Wendy and Mandy

    Just as a matter or record, because I value my e reputation.

    I am NOT banned from Orthopeds. I have never posted on that site.

    Derek some of your comments about me on this site are verging on libel. I'm not litigious, so no need to worry I prefer to defend my statements myself. But please do try to get your facts right.

    David "no great loss IMO" Thanks!

    Wendy I can also guarantee that you are not being used by me for some hidden agenda of mine or the SCP. Again I do not speak for the SCP, I cannot I'm just an ordinary member.

    I'm in the process of putting together a response to Bill as to why I think there is some merit in Bodies opening discussion even with out the Society, they make sense to me but involves a bit of work.

    After that lets see if it exposes my hidden agenda?

    Can I ask you to listen to the debate and make up your own mind about me? No one ever said I was an easy person to debate with?

    I do however find it a bit ironic that your initial suggestion was for Bodies to open their forums to all for the debate, them when an 'open access' forum was suggested for the debate to take place it was put in a 'closed' section?

    The reason given 'so views of the current members can be heard without the general backstabbing that occurs when the subject is raised'.

    Well current members can post anywhere on that site so for that reason it does not matter where you site it.

    Those that are excluded are the 'guests' who cannot post anyway.

    I admit to joining often as a guest and find some of the posts quite informative, I choose not to become 'a current member'.

    Anyway at least you have taken up one of my suggestions, interesting to see where it goes?

    Bob Golding
     
  20. twirly

    twirly Well-Known Member

    Bob,

    Personally if there is a 'hidden agenda' it is indeed very well disguised. The debate unfolds as many individuals sharing their views in an open forum.

    The debate (to me) is providing me with a great deal of valuable information RE: the current & past situation regarding political issues in UK podiatry.

    Regards,

    Mandy.
     
  21. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    Bill

    just some musings on why there may be some merit in starting ‘talks’ without Society involvement and perhaps why there could be positive advantages.

    First some figures:

    The Society has approximately 8500 HPC registered members, and a very few associates, from orthotic technicians and Footcare Assistants working in the NHS.

    There were approx 13500 HPC registered Pods, so 5000 non SCP members. These will be spread between the various bodies and some independents.

    I can only guess at the relative numbers in each body but from previous posts would suggest roughly BChPA and Institute 4000 Alliance and indepentents 1000.

    These figures of course do not include FHP/associate members so the organisations are probably bigger.

    So very roughly the Society is twice the size of the remaining profession.

    But I think it is also interesting to look at the composition of the various bodies.

    The Society is roughly 50:50 employed and self employed. In the main this means NHS and education vs Private practice. This creates a tension within the Society as the two groups do not necessarily have common objectives.

    I would imagine that all of the other groups have more in common as they overwhelmingly represent the self employed. They all also have to accommodate both HPC Pods and occupational groups.

    So I suggest that possibly you are more likely to get agreement between the non SCP bodies if they do not have to address the inevitable problems associated with the Society diversity.

    Should the outcome of your joint ventures seem productive and especially if they appeal to the Private Sector then you could be looking at 4000 potential ‘converts’.
    That would represent a complete reversal of the balance of power.

    One thing that is in the pipeline that could affect this scenario is the wishes of the DOH or Strategic Health Authorities to introduce an assistant Podiatrist grade, with far more autonomy than the present Foot care assistant. Should the Society embrace this grade, in my opinion the equivalent of a FHP then the Society could be no longer the last bastion of the Podiatry professional.

    Well now sort the hidden agenda out of that one?

    Bob.
     
  22. W J Liggins

    W J Liggins Well-Known Member

    Hello Bob

    Thanks for your comments.

    Firstly I do not believe that you have a hidden agenda. You have always stated your points with clarity and without fear over your own name - which I appreciate. I do, however, believe that the professional bodies, the Society in particular do have a number of hidden agendas; in the latter case, trying to take over the whole profession, as history shows. This is why I think that disparate agreements with individual bodies will not work and why all bodies must be involved from the outset.

    We have debated the issue many times and have, I think actually managed to reach agreement. Sadly our agreement is that unity will not happen in our lifetimes. Nevertheless, I applaud Wendy and her supporters and perhaps new generations will get a little farther.

    Al the best

    Bill
     
  23. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    Hi Bob

    you said


    You also said

    You really should take note of that:D

    And then you said

    Why do you not post on the members section then ??

    Your memory is Failing you Bob :rolleyes:

    I posted against and with you many times in the past on that site as did many others and to make the statement you have is wholly untrue rolleyes:

    Do you not remember me getting you reinstated once and trying to a second time when you made inappropriate posts on that site, (I should say you did ask to be removed on that occasion as you knew what was the inevitable outcome of your post) ?? :eek:


    I wont pursue this further as it has no purpose only to back up my statements which are far from being libelous ( an accusation you make with boring regularity)

    They are in fact just that fact

    Cheers
    Derek;)
     
  24. Wendy

    Wendy Active Member

    Boys PLEASE....................this is exactly what I was trying to avoid when I posted the query on the members only thread of the other site. It gets very tedious and I have enough squabbles from my kids:dizzy:
    All I wish for is that the good people of the professional bodies are able to see that there are some issues that should have a 'joined up' strategy to resolve:craig:
    Wendy
     
  25. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    Hi Wendy

    A strong word of advice ,

    Don't patronise!! it is offensive and unnecessary:mad:

    Bob has made spurious statements which I have corrected nothing more than that.

    I have tried to help I now withdraw that help in an advisory capacity and wish you well in your efforts.

    Oh and for your information ( this cross posting is also getting tedious)

    I do not fly the flag for any professional body and have no allegiance save paying my insurance to one of them. All statements I have made and advice offered were done with the best intentions.

    Best wishes

    Derek
     
  26. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    Wendy I'm sorry about this but I refuse to be told I am lying, however if you go back to my original responce you are now seeing the 'real world'.

    Derek for the last time I have never never posted on Orthopeds.

    I did however post on it's predecessor forgot the name.

    You have never never had to come to my rescue the very thought of it is laughable.

    I have explained ad nausium why I do not post on Orthopeds, but if you insist I do not trust DH to be a fair moderator.

    Your memory is Failing you Bob

    I think not.

    I posted against and with you many times in the past on that site as did many others and to make the statement you have is wholly untrue rolleyes:


    Lets make sure we are talking about the same thing here by Orthopods I mean the present UK forum owned by DH and moderated by DH RI and BL?

    Agreed?

    Do you not remember me getting you reinstated once and trying to a second time when you made inappropriate posts on that site, (I should say you did ask to be removed on that occasion as you knew what was the inevitable outcome of your post) ??


    I truly am at a loss as to what you refer to. please get DH to provide evidence.

    You can walk away but you are wrong M8


    Bob Golding (suffering from early Alzheimers)
     
  27. Wendy

    Wendy Active Member

    I appologise if my last posting sounded patronising, it was not meant to be.
     
  28. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    Bill

    With respect I have to say I am a bit disappointed in your reply.

    Of course you are entitled to your opinion but as we all know that has been proved to be an unproductive stance?

    You may well be correct in your interpretation of SCP motives, but I see a very big difference between desires and abilities.

    The take up of the Society’s offer to open it’s doors to all HPC without further tests has been IMO a dismal failure. Characterised by their inability to sell a free pi** up in a brewery.

    Just ‘shouting’ for a General Podiatric Council and setting ‘unachievable’ conditions could I think be seen by some of our newer professionals as stonewalling.

    Let’s see how Wendy gets on? But like you my expectations are not high.

    Just as a post note, I was a newbie only 13 years ago but will probably retire alongside you. So have had other lives outside of Feet.

    Bob
     
  29. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    Wendy

    Your post was not patronising, it reflected your opinion.

    You are entitled to your opinion .


    Do not apologise you are being bullied.

    Del will force this thread to be closed.

    Bob Golding
     
  30. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    Hi Wendy

    Apology accepted ;)

    Thank you for your explanation on PM as well;)

    Cheers
    D;)
     
  31. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    Bob

    Righto and the purpose being ???

    Wendy made a statement I didnt agree with and said so that is all

    Please dont make these things up, your in fantasy mode again :rolleyes:


    .

    Because I have found you to be making spurious and untrue statements it is no need to panic bob

    I am not a litigious person either:D

    You protest too much , many of us remember the facts of your statement as untrue:cool:.

    Protest all you want but we both KNOW the facts don't we:hammer:

    And Closing this thread is the last thing I want to do especially with the amusement your giving:D
    Cheers
    D;)
     
  32. cornmerchant

    cornmerchant Well-Known Member

    DTT and Wendy

    sorry, I am a little confused here. Is there something we should all know about in the PM?

    As I see it , Derek, you put Wendy down,she apologised,(not sure why!) and privately mailed you ( I can only think to discusss REG, ) and the result is that the thread is left with some sort of hidden agenda!

    What is going on?

    Cornmerchant
     
  33. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    Derek

    I have asked you to prove your accusations.

    You refuse!

    Why?

    Oh and 'no allegience I only pay for my insurance'!

    Well comparable insurance as an independent £140 so where does the rest of your subs go?

    Bob Golsing
     
  34. W J Liggins

    W J Liggins Well-Known Member

    Hello Wendy et al.

    I trust that you will forgive me for not continung to post on this thread. It really does not seem to be at all constructive. However, if a new thread is started in a similar vein I am happy to post, or if I can be of any help to Wendy, I will be happy to do so.

    All the best

    Bill
     
  35. Wendy

    Wendy Active Member

    There is nothing sinister in the PM, I felt I was being a little too short and appologied for it, also I felt it polite to appologise to the person in question first before a public posting.
    Not that it is of any interest to anyone else but I did not discuss REG - am not sure why I would want to:confused: (no disrespect REG;))
    Bill, I quite understand why you do not wish to continue, it has strayed a little. Thanks for your offer of help in the future, I may take you up on that.
    :drinks Wendy
     
  36. George Brandy

    George Brandy Active Member

    I endorse this post 100%

    A wise old lady once gave me a sage piece of advice: "If you've nowt nice to say, don't say it."

    I have followed this thread as an observer, adding my thanks to a posting by Twirly back in December.

    DDT, you mentioned me by name as a supporter to IPP and nail cutting during that same month and within this thread. I didn't support you then and I do not support you now. All too often you bring down a thread to your characteristic level of offensive posting and now you add bullying to your qualities. Still you do not disappoint.

    Take that wise old lady's advice, if you have nothing nice to say to Wendy or REG, don't bother saying it then others can continue to enjoy the debate.

    With sincerity,

    GB
     
  37. davidh

    davidh Podiatry Arena Veteran

    Bob, the previous site was owned and moderated by me (latterly moderated by Ian L as well). It was, to all intents and purposes the same site. I think it was called Orthoped.

    Wasn't going to post again but I just want to let everyone know that I brought (a few posts ago )to Craigs attention the fact that this has wandered way off course.
     
  38. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    Cornmerchant

    Yes!! perhaps you should know the meaning of PRIVATE message:rolleyes:

    Your temerity in asking is rude and shows a total lack of manners.:mad:

    Wendy has given you the courtesy of a reply to your request ( which is more that I would have done) now perhaps you would return the compliment by asking something constructive to get this thread back on track and support her in her quest
    Cheers
    Derek
     
  39. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    Hi George

    .
    No suprises there then

    Perhaps I misunderstood your previous plea to us all to do a "cut price for oap nail cutting" " in the quiet moments in surgery " in previous posts ??

    Or perhaps you also have suffered a convenient memory loss ??

    Only to those that offend me George as you have found out on more than one occasion.:rolleyes:

    As far as bullying goes , if that is your interpretation of bullying , IMO you really should get out more and get a life.

    I have said this before and will say it again I WITHDRAW from this thread for the time being as my inbox notifications is getting in front of my replies my time will not allow me at present to get into a protracted debate ( for personal reasons) and it is WAY OFF TOPIC !

    Instead of trying to pillory me try helping Wendy PLEASE !!

    Cheers
    D;)
     
  40. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    David

    Thank you for that clarification.

    I am somewhat surprised that you can only 'think' of the name you once owned.

    You may 'believe' the two sites are the same but I do not.

    Even accepting that can you supply evidence to support Derek's statements, because I believe he is wrong. I believe he thinks I have trolled on the 'current Orthopeds, but he is wrong!

    Wasn't going to post again but I just want to let everyone know that I brought (a few posts ago )to Craigs attention the fact that this has wandered way off course.


    Why would that not surprise readers, thankfully for once Craig is prepared for us UK pods to debate, and recognise some people trying to be responsible.

    The alternative of course is to move this debate to TFS where all the gloves come off.

    Bob Golding
     
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