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Associate wage rates (Australia)

Discussion in 'Practice Management' started by markleigh, Dec 9, 2007.

  1. markleigh

    markleigh Active Member


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    I currently employ an associate/employee on an arrangement of a base wage (still fair) & then 40% of anything over a set amount. I think it has worked out well for him in that his hourly rate is around $50 AUS/hour (not including super). Now I think that's pretty reasonable given the person has no management responsibility & literally turns up & does the work required. He clinically is good & I am happy from that point of view. He has approx. 6 years experience. Does that sound fair & reasonable? I think it does but keen to hear others opinions.
     
  2. williac

    williac Active Member

    Re: Associate wage

    Reading between the lines I would hazard a guess that your employee has asked for a pay rise. An obvious point is that podiatrists accross Aust. are in really short supply. In terms of associate renumeration I would be thinking about that first and foremost. What would be the cost to your business if he/she left to work elsewhere? The practice closest to mine took nearly 6 months to find a replacement when their 'full time' pod left due to a pay and condition dispute. 50 odd dollars per hour seems ok to me - however thats not really the point. What are they worth to you!!!
     
  3. Atlas

    Atlas Well-Known Member

    Re: Associate wage


    There are one or two 'good' business people in the north and west suburbs of Melbourne that pay $22 an hour with no % for orthotic sale etc. These employees should have done a trade or become a hairdresser etc.
     
  4. Daniel Bagnall

    Daniel Bagnall Active Member

    Re: Associate wage

    Hi Mark,

    I dont think you have anything to worry about, it sounds fair to me. If your employee's work ethic is to turn up and do what is required, then I think your proposal should stay as it is. However, if your associate consistently shows diligence, initative and works hard, then I think it's worthwhile that he/she is acknowledged in some way or another. How you choose to address this though is up to you...

    Cheers,

    Dan
     
  5. DAVOhorn

    DAVOhorn Well-Known Member

    Re: Associate wage

    An Associate is just that.

    A basic guaranteed wage is sensible as it is the responsibility of the practice owner to do the marketing of the business.

    40% of revenues generated seems fair .

    Does this also have the Super An on top?

    So as a valued employee whom you do not wish to lose why not offer them the following::drinks

    The option of buying into the practice and therefore getting more of the spoils but also half the drudgery of running the practice.:hammer:

    My bet is they will say that the current status is acceptable.

    More money for much more out of office hours work will not be as exciting or rewarding as normal office hours and no further responsibility.

    regards David
     
  6. jos

    jos Active Member

    I think that is very fair, after all, you have to pay all the bills out of what's left and put up with the business hassles (and believe me, I have spent a lot on 'medicinal' whisky these past few months!!) . I pay 50/50, which equates to $50 per hour, extra for orthoses and much more (almost 66%) for PNAs - but still can't get another experienced pod to cover the hours that I want. It doesn't seem to matter what you offer, they can always get what they want somewhere else......what do we do??:confused:
     
  7. markleigh

    markleigh Active Member

    Thanks for everyone's comments. It has been touched on but what are the common percentage splits for associates? For GP's I've seen it up to 60% but they obviously can (on average) generate more per hour than your general Podiatrist (unless you prescribe high numbers of orthos). Has anyone got an estimate of the expense/cost per hour or per patient? I know this will vary. Figures like this must be around & I would imagine I could go to my accountant & he could work this out. But whether anyone has a rough idea?
     
  8. markleigh

    markleigh Active Member

    And just replying to Daniel, isn't the incentive the reason why we have percentages? You work harder you generate more.
     
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  10. Daniel Bagnall

    Daniel Bagnall Active Member

    Definitely! It's really hard for me to go any further with this though as I have absolutely no idea about your associate’s wk ethic, apart from what you have stated above. If he's had 6yrs wk experience already and is performing well then I think the current arrangement is fair. There is definitely a line you have to draw though in terms of how much your willing to pay him. Any reasonable employee should understand this, and if they don’t, then that should tell you something. In terms of what I said in my last post re: "acknowledgement", doesn't necessarily have anything to do with monetary compensation.

    Regards,

    Dan
     
  11. MelbPod

    MelbPod Active Member

    Hi, On a similar note.... I am a new grad in melbourne currently working for a private practice, doing mainly domicilliary work and a few clinical sessions.
    As I am new on the block, I would like some advise on reasonable pay schedules from those more experienced members (I am aware of awards etc, just want a general idea of whats happeneing out there).
    I am currently on an hourly rate of low 20's p.h. + super. I see myself as a reasonable competent podiatrist. I am contemplating requesting a split pay (wage and percentage), possibly
    $15 p.h + 30%. DOes this sound unreasonable/reasonable?
    My employer would like me to believe I am on a very exclusive wage.....I am not convinced.
    Any advice would be appreciated.
     
  12. williac

    williac Active Member

    Hi Melbpod,

    I've got a nephew doing nightfill at Coles for low $20 per hour. You have a Bachelor degree in an in-demand profession. A no brainer really - your employer is taking the piss!

    Chris
     
  13. MelbPod

    MelbPod Active Member

    Thanks Chris. I appreciate your bluntness. Now I can stop questioning myself as to is that all I deserve.

    Thanks
     
  14. Stuart Blyth

    Stuart Blyth Active Member

    Morning!

    I currently have the following position on offer if your interested. A new Grad should be earning at least 50K plus bonuses, your at least 10-20 k short.

    regards
    stuart


    Due to our continuing expansion an experienced Podiatrist full time position has been created at our eastern suburbs clinic group.

    You will be joining a team of 5 Podiatrists in one of Melbourne's leading podiatry practices. All clinic sessions, no dom work, 1st class facilities and full admin support

    This is a position that requires an applicant that is serious about a career in podiatry and has a long term commitment with a strong biomechanical and surgery interest.

    A generous wage and schedule package (including regular days off) is available starting around 65-70K with regular reviews plus bonuses. Please send applications to our practice manager via e mail to hollowaypodiatry@ozemail.com.au.

    Applicants are welcome to tour our facility after applications have been received. Applications close 14.04.08 but interviews will be held prior and we reserve the right to close the offer early.

    If you are thinking its time for a change and want your clinical and patient skills respected and be properly remunerated for your experience contact me today.

    Stuart Blyth
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  15. sounds about right- you lucky to get someone you happy with Enjoy
     
  16. Tuckersm

    Tuckersm Well-Known Member

    The Public sector EBA in Victoria pays a new grad $50,305, or $25.50 per hr, plus salary packaging etc. We also support our grade ones to develop, such as general supervision and mentoring as well as supervision to attain S4 endorsement, internal and external professional development are also provided with associated funding.
    nb: we may have a 6/12 position avaialble soon
     
  17. dragon_v723

    dragon_v723 Active Member


    concur
    I worked in safeway casual shop assistant the year before I graduated and the rate was ~17.XX/hr and penalty loading for odd hours.....................
     
  18. OneFoot

    OneFoot Active Member

    Re: Associate wage

    double post
     
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2011
  19. OneFoot

    OneFoot Active Member

    Re: Associate wage

    :D

    Not really....

    I know at least 6 pods that would love any work you could throw at them...
     
  20. OneFoot

    OneFoot Active Member

    Yeah - what you are asking for is fair....

    You can try to ask but how long have you been working?

    Cheers
     
  21. MelbPod

    MelbPod Active Member

    Hi OneFoot - thanks for your advice and contribution to my post.... I have now long moved on from my post I made 3 and a bit years ago as a new grad.
    I now have my own business and haveamuch better understandingof wages and fair pay :)
     
  22. OneFoot

    OneFoot Active Member

    sorry I didnt see the date :( - gee in 2008 to paid that is disappointing thats before the GFC etc...

    wow

    congrats :D

    there are alot of sharks in this podiatry game...
     
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