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Blade runner (Oscar Pistorius)

Discussion in 'Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses' started by Simon Spooner, Jan 15, 2008.

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  1. It wasn't a compliment. If we ever see a pair of your orthotics in any form other than a drawing on a patent that will be akin to walking on water, viz. a miracle.

    Don't attempt to divert this thread any further.
     
  2. Steve:

    What do you and Dennis Shavelson and Ed Glaser all have in common?......you are all podiatrists that can't seem to post here to Podiatry Arena without also making sure that you continually discuss and advertise the products you have a financial interest in.

    Podiatry Arena is not for continual advertising of your product...it is about discussion of scientific knowledge. Your continual promos for your product are getting very old here and that is the reason you get the responses you seem to generate from your posts. I suggest it is either time for you to reconsider why you are here or, better yet, simply move on to where your continual unsuccessful attempts to advertise your products will be greeted with more interest.

    None of us are interested either in your products or any more of your goofy, childish trademarked sayings that you seem to need to include at the end of all your postings. These trademarked sayings are just the icing on the ill-tasting cake that you have been providing us with here since you first started posting to Podiatry Arena. It is too bad that you can't see this for yourself since these idiotic sayings really are annoying and, I believe, further alienate many of us from even wanting to engage in discussing these ideas with you.

    Have a nice day.
     
  3. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha Kevin,

    If Simon can have his white flags i can have my corny sayings and Tagging Lines...TM

    The Spring Orthotic Patent is waiting for your deeper understanding and professional and knowledgeable rebuttle of the mechanics therein.

    Mahalo,
    Steve

    Kingetics- Loving True Actions...TM
     
  4. Yeah, Steve, but that doesn't give you the right to hijack another thread for the sole purpose of advertising your product!!:boxing::craig::butcher:
     
  5. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha Kevin,

    We recognize your senior status on this web site and your long history of adding content to it.

    I have responded to Simon's statement that he would like to see what new technology comes from using advanced composites in orthotics and his wish to high jump 8 feet.

    I humbly would recommend the Jumping Springs that you have previously posted on this web site for that event.

    We are trying to get you to think about the mechanics of our new technology more than trying to get you to buy a pair of the fastest lightest safest orthotics.

    I am sorry that my creative and semi-comical and commercial slogans distract you from the important task at hand, understanding and refuting (or supporting) the mechanics we have proposed...

    Mahalo,
    Dr. Steven King

    ASTM F13 Committee Voting Member
    APMA and HPMA Member
    Co-Principal Investigator SBIR A11-109 US Dept. of Defense
    ACPSM Member
    SCPM Grad 1996

    :empathy::drinks:welcome:
     
  6. Yawn.

    For the record, I didn't make any statement about using composites in orthotics in this thread. Dr. King is clearly lying in order to justify his continued promotion of his patent here. Not only is he shamelessly attempting to plug a product, he's now resorted to lying about me in order to continue this.

    It's boring Steven. We have discussed you patent here already some months ago. You've had your "15 minutes". If it didn't turn out as you'd hoped, then that's just too bad. Move on and discuss something else, or just move on.

    You just can't seem to help yourself though, can you?:

    Nosism not withstanding, your statement here is just utter cobblers too and there are laws against making such a statement as part of advertising, here in the UK at least. Can you say any old cack in US commercials without any come back? Indeed, by making such statements you might find yourself open to a class action law suit, as Vibram have recently discovered. Thinking about it, it should be possible for legal action to be taken against you for each and every one of your trade marked advertising slogans....hmmm. That might not sit too comfortable in the future should your orthotics ever get beyond the drawing board. To me, you come across like someone on the shopping channels rather than an ethical practitioner who holds the title "Doctor of Podiatric Medicine".

    And "if you're in marketing, kill yourself": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo

    Anyway... Oscar Pistorius...


    ***************
    CSE grade 1 in technical drawing
     
  7. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha Simon,

    Fear is a mind killer.

    You stated that you wanted to see what was new.

    Simon Says,"Lets see what funky designs of "shoes" the able bodied start wearing now...

    I just thought, with a pair of blades attached to my legs I'd stand at about 8 feet tall- My teenage dream of breaking the high jump world record may come true after all. "

    Now lets talk about advanced composites in the Olympics and in our soldiers boots and not about vulger and hateful you tube videos.

    A Hui Hou,
    Steve

    Kingetics- Building Beautiful Gaits...TM
     
  8. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    I confess I haven't read through all this thread... but for what it's worth, I came across the following quote from Albert Einstein...

    [​IMG]

    Anyway, at the moment I have really sore calf muscles from a hard training bout (a couple of days ago it was even sore to walk). This has certainly affected this week’s training (running) - particularly speed work & most definitely a race (if I had one to do)... particularly a shorter race i.e. a track race... in spikes... say over 400m to 5000m...


    ... would Oscar not have to deal with such an issue? (If not fatigue related &/or biomechanical factors which could adversely influence performance).


    All the best for Oscar! ... but there are some certain physiological/biomechanical differences... & I can also see the sensitivity/emotion of the subject.
     
  9. Steven:

    Let's stick to the thread...not continually advertise a product here on an academic website meant for foot health professionals all for your financial gain.

    You really don't get it, do you, Steven?! We don't want you continually butting into good threads to somehow find a way to show that your insole product is something worthwhile. It's not all about you and your product, Steven. Can you just take a step back and see what you are doing here...it is killing your credibility.

    If you want to talk about your product, then start a new thread and tell us all about it and quit butting into good threads with your corny (supposedly trademarked) slogans and with your continual reference to how good your product supposedly is.

    This one thing may help you regain some respect here on Podiatry Arena. As for me at this point, I have lost just about all my respect for you by the way you are promoting yourself and your product here.:craig::bang::butcher:
     
  10. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Mahalo Kevin,

    I have respected your intellect for a long time.

    Please start us a new thread considering composites and simple machine physics as a topic of discussion.

    Mahalo,
    Steve
     
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    He is into the semis:

     
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    Sportscientists.org have a good summary of this issue:
    Full article
     
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    John Orchard has weighed in with an opinion:
    http://blogs.bmj.com/bjsm/2012/08/0...t-than-biomechanics-guest-blog-drjohnorchard/
     
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    He's out.
     
  16. fishpod

    fishpod Well-Known Member

    hope fully this will be his last race with the able bodied as his times are just to slow and he has made his point he is an amazing bloke hope he wins gold in the paraolympics
     
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    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    That is "cool"! I can see how Oscar can be such an inspiration to those who so desperately need it - particularly young children. One can only imagine what it must be like for a child who is to some degree limbless see someone in a similar predicament competing on the world stage for athletics. The girl pictured would have been excited to see Oscar compete at the Olympics... & future events.
     
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    Series of interesting tweets from ScienceofSports on this:
     
  21. This story did raise a wry smile when I saw it on the news this morning.

    This just made me laugh out-loud:
    "some athletes can make themselves unbelievably high," he said. :morning:

    I think the word you were looking for was "tall" Oscar.
     
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    Beautiful comment by Dr Tucker:

     
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  25. As I said before, Oscar Pistorius should not be competing, and should not have competed, with able-bodied athletes in international events, such as the Olympics, since his prostheses gives him an unfair advantage over able-bodied athletes whose legs have much more mass. Now he is complaining that another athlete with prostheses competed unfairly because his "stride was too long"? And I always thought that the parameter that determined the winner of a race in track was the individual that crossed the finish line first, not the individual that had the longest stride.:wacko:

    Oscar, please tell Jesse Owens and Michael Johnson and that their short stride lengths were a distinct disadvantage to them when they ran into Olympic history 60 years apart from each other. By the way, the Jesse Owens video is very good one if you have time to watch it all the way through.



     
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  26. Griff

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  27. I believe we are beginning to see the beginning of an end to having athletes with prosthetics competing in the Olympics and other international track and field events. Maybe, now, the truth will come out in the media about how Oscar Pistorius' "scientific evaluation" that his "blades gave him no unfair advantage" was politically motivated in that scientific data that clearly showed he had an unfair biomechanical advantage to able bodied runners was purposely ignored so Pistorius could compete in the Olympics.

    When politics and science mix, science always loses out.
     
  28. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Wow.

    This is just super shaboomy!

    For the first time in history we are taking part in the culmination of advanced materials and biomechanical science with an individuals needs to become part of our great human experience we call the Olympics.

    I find it awsome that Oscar continues pushing the envelope by forcing the governing bodies to address the needs and gifts of the now "More Ambled".

    I would be happy and honored to write him a prescription for his braces (since he medically needs them because he has NO FEET !) if he needs to comply with USATF Rule 143.

    A Hui Hou,
    Steve

    If you want to see some extra long legs look at these on a fellow South Dakotan, Billy Mills.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOj0zjPzg-c

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    USATF RULE 143
    ATHLETIC ATTIRE
    1. In all events competitors must wear clothing that is clean, designed, and worn
    so as not to be objectionable. The clothing must be made of a material that is
    not transparent even if wet. The competitors must not wear clothing that could
    impede the view of the judges. Athletes’ vests should have the same color on the
    front and back. This rule shall be enforced by the Clerk of Course for track and
    road events and the Chief Judge of each field event.
    2. In hot weather, an athlete competing in a long distance road run may compete
    without a top shirt. This ruling will be made by the Referee with the approval
    of the Games Committee.
    3. (a) A competitor may compete in bare feet or with footwear on one or both feet. The
    purpose of shoes for competition is to give protection and stability to the feet and
    a firm grip of the ground. Such shoes, however, must not be constructed so as to
    give the competitor any unfair additional assistance, including the incorporation
    of any technology which will give the wearer any unfair advantage, such as a
    spring or similar device. A shoe strap over the instep is permissible.
    (b) The sole and the heel of the shoes shall be so constructed as to provide for
    the use of up to 11 spikes. Any number of spikes up to 11 may be used,
    but the number of spike positions shall not exceed 11.
    NOTE: For Youth Athletics exception, see Rule 302.5(g).
    (c) When a competition is conducted on a synthetic surface, that part of each
    spike which projects from the sole or heel, must not exceed 9mm, except in
    the High Jump and Javelin Throw, where it must not exceed 12mm.
    Competitors shall also comply with any instruction from organizers as to
    length of spikes. For non-synthetic surfaces, the maximum length of spike
    shall be 25mm. Each spike must be constructed so that it will, at least for
    the half of its length closest to the tip, fit through a square sided 4mm gauge.
    (d) The sole and/or the heel may have grooves, ridges, indentations, or protuberances,
    provided these features are constructed of the same or similar
    material to the basic sole itself.
    (e) In the High Jump and Long Jump, the sole shall have a maximum thickness
    of 13mm. In the High Jump, the heel shall have a maximum thickness of
    19mm. In all other events, shoes may be of any thickness.
    (f ) Athletes may not use appliances, either inside or outside the shoe, which
    will have the effect of increasing the thickness of the sole above the permitted
    maximum, or which can give the wearer any advantage which would
    not be obtained from the type of shoe described in the previous paragraphs.
    The thickness of the sole shall be measured as the distance between the
    inside top side and the outside under side, including the above-mentioned
    features and any kind or form of lose inner sole.
    NOTE: Orthotic inserts required for medical purposes are exempt from this rule.
     
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  30. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha,

    Here is another brave game changer we should continue to support.

    And boy does he make good use of those extra long legs...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdRsZN9e9l4

    A Hui Hou,
    Steve
     
  31. Carl:

    That is complete bull****. Comparing Oscar Pistorius to Sir Roger Bannister is like comparing lemons to apples.

    Oscar Pistorius wouldn't be competing in the Olympics or Paralympics if he didn't have technologically advanced prostheses that are a fraction of the mass of normal legs. Pistorius, instead, would be just another Joe Blow that we never heard because he would have never even made it to the Olympic trials because he would have been too slow running with legs or normal mass.

    In addition, had the scientific evaluation of Pistorius's biomechanical advantages not had politicians and well-funded lawyers interfering with the process so that all the data from the scientific investigations was properly analyzed and evaluated before a decision was made, Pistorius wouldn't have even been allowed to compete in the Olympics since he definitely has a distinct mechanical advantage over able-bodies runners due to the fact that the mass of his prostheses is much less than able-bodied runners.

    Now, Carl, How does that compare to Sir Roger Bannister who was the first to break the four minute mile barrier? Answer. It doesn't compare at all.

    In addition and, as far as I'm concerned, comparing Pistorius to Bannister an insult to the memory of a record-breaking athlete like Sir Roger Bannister. Maybe it is about time for you, Carl, to come out of the feel-good clouds and do some read the real story behind the deception that Pistorius and his attorneys have been pushing onto the athletic governing bodies all along to allow him to compete against able-bodied athletes in the Olympics. Makes Pistorius and his team look more like used car salesmen than world class athletes.

    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008/07/oscar-pistorius-remarkable-physiology.html

    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008/12/top-8-of-08-number-2.html

    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008/02/oscar-pistorius-case-where-science-does.html

    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2011/08/scientific-evidence-for-advantage-for.html

    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2011/12/science-of-sport-awards-controversy-of.html

    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008/01/oscar-pistorius-missing-variables.html

    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008/01/oscar-pistorius-reaction-challenge-ban.html

    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2011/08/pistorius-12-sec-advantage-and.html

    http://www.sportsscientists.com/2012/09/oscar-pistorius-counting-strides-as.html
     
  32. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

  33. As I said, Roger Bannister is all class, relying on only natural talent and dedication to run the world's first four minute mile. Oscar Pistorius, artificially aided by the latest technological advances in lower limb prosthetics is somehow allowed to compete with able-bodied athletes in the Olympics.....politics and legal challenges again win out over objective science and fairness in the case of Oscar Pistorius.
     
  34. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha Kevin,

    I understand your lament.

    Just as Big Blue and other advances in science change the playing field thus inducing us to long for the nastagic past we must embrace the hard work of the many teachers and inovators that have brought us to where we are now.

    The use of the term "able-bodied athletes" needs to now be reinspected. Soon athletes with advanced gait systems will surpase the speed, endurance and "ability" of other fig-leafed compeditors.

    You are a true scientist and i appriciate your science and compasion.

    Mahalo,
    Steve
     
  35. CraigT

    CraigT Well-Known Member

    The best question I heard about this whole debate-
    If he was a swimmer, would be allow him to wear fins???
     
  36. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    If he was a swimmer would he be allowed to wear prosthetic fins???

    Aloha,
    Steve
     
  37. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha,

    I stand myself corrected...

    "Deep Blue"... changed our chess world.

    Levered Carbon Composites... are changing our gait world.

    A Hui Hou,
    Steve


    Kingetics-Red Shifting Shoes...TM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_(chess_computer)
     
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  40. Paul Bowles

    Paul Bowles Well-Known Member

    Why was his girlfriend dressed as a burgler trying to rob her boyfriends house?
     
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