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Great Olympic Moments in UK Track and Field

Discussion in 'Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses' started by Kevin Kirby, Jun 19, 2012.


  1. Before anyone else does the math, that's between 13.1 and 16.8 minutes per patient, not allowing for the coffee brakes. "Some days I'm quick, but most days I'm speedy" :cool: To put it into perspective: back in the day, NHS patients were allocated 20 minute slots; hence it's not that impressive, Kevin ;)

    Funnily enough, although I didn't attend this meeting I'd already heard about this particular individual about 10 minutes after he'd made his statement and attempted to have a "pop" at Bartold. Ain't modern media great? You get at least one at every conference.

    When are you speaking in the UK, Blaise? Maybe I could be the one at yours?

    That said, having read the .pdf for Simon Bartold's lecture, it does come across as a personal vendetta against Blaise and doesn't really address the title of the presentation at all, in my humble opinion- just an observation, Simon. But hey, I wasn't there so how do I know what was said?
     
  2. 'nuff said.

    No fair, Kirby deleted his post!
     
  3. Here is Blaise's video where he interjects his opinions into Simon's presentation in this YouTube video. I think there is some history between the two.

     
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  4. No doubt.
    Anyway: Ex. 21:23, 24; Lev. 24:19, 20; Deut. 19:21 etc. Let 'em have it as the scriptures demand.
     
  5. Simon:

    Ian Griffiths seems to know who the physiotherapist who made the rude comments to us at BSS in Manchester. Maybe Ian could provide an impartial opinion of what really happened at BSS with the "rude physiotherapist" and the rest of us on the panel discussion.
     
  6. I've already spoken with Ian and others regarding this. But go ahead, Griff... I just read the .pdf to accompany the lecture and I'm expressing my opinion based on this, and this alone.
     
  7. I may be grumpy and old, but I can still be quick when I need to....:rolleyes:
     
  8. Blaise Dubois

    Blaise Dubois Active Member

    Thanks a lot for all your precisions.
    How was the presentation of Simon Bartold?

    Blaise
     
  9. Blaise Dubois

    Blaise Dubois Active Member

  10. Blaise:

    I thought that Simon gave a set of very good talks. In fact, all of the lectures I heard at the seminar were excellent. Joe Hamill especially did a great job of bringing his lectures on his latest barefoot running research to a clinical level that, I believe, were some of the best lectures of the seminar.
     
  11. Blaise Dubois

    Blaise Dubois Active Member

    I have no doubt about Joe Hamill... But the one I saw from Simon Bartold was not very consistent (see the video on you post above)... seems that this one was not more consistent? Wait you opinion of speaker and scientist... not friend.

    blaise
     
  12. Blaise:

    As a clinician and scientist, I thought Simon Bartold presented informative lectures. I don't always agree with Simon since we did have some disagreements both during the lectures and in private, but, as usual, Simon's lectures were all interesting and thought-provoking.

    In addition I believe that most in the audience felt the same as I did about Simon's lectures...except, or course, for the physiotherapist that wrote you that letter that claimed that I worked for Asics. This should tell you, Blaise, just how credible this physiotherapist is when he makes false accusations about me without even a shred of evidence to justify his claims. I don't even run in Asics shoes....I'm running in Hoka One One shoes and walking in Adidas shoes currently.
     
  13. toomoon

    toomoon Well-Known Member

    Why do you want to know Blaise.. are you keen to get me on your team for your next lecture series? You could do with a little variation to your theme, and I am always available!
     
  14. toomoon

    toomoon Well-Known Member

    The title got changed after the pdf was printed unfortunately.. it seems the average punter is still not prepared to listen to a discussion on torques, moments, forces and acceleration. I do have the presentation all ready to go though..!

    btw.. what was you excuse for not attending? I felt sure you would be there creating a ruckus!

    I should also like to go on record stating that Dr. Kevin Kirby is not, and never has been under the employ of the global body of ASICS or any of her subsidiaries including ASICS America Corporation. He is far too argumentative and grumpy!! That physio did not listen to a word that was spoken.. I really wonder why he was there!
     
  15. Blaise Dubois

    Blaise Dubois Active Member

    You run away last time in your own country. I'm in for any debate. I speak about a real one... a scientific one. Not just blasted liberman, McDougall, me and every person that doesn't eat ASICS food. I speak about a consistent and rigorous speech with content. Can you do that? I never see that... but maybe I don't know this side of yourself?
     
  16. Blaise Dubois

    Blaise Dubois Active Member

    My BUL****-O-METER explode... please stop

    He didn't know me before your pseudo-lecture

    Do you really know who is he? just tell his name and I will tell you what say my bul**** detector

    Like all the time I saw you... :boohoo:

    I'm curious, how much ASICS support you when you say that Asics shoes prevent injuries? Is a presentation like this one was supported by ASICS?

    If the PDF is informative, it will be a pleasure to read it... someone can send me it?

    I answered many time... Kevin answered to my question one time too... http://www.podiatrytoday.com/barefoot-versus-shod-running-which-best (see bellow) but you never justify why beginners and child need big bulky shoes. NEVER. I just know, from you, that Asics shoes prevent injuries for everybody.

    :sinking:

    Answer from KK
    You asked: "Is there science supporting the prescription of "modern" shoes with characteristics like (more than 9O z, stack more than 20 mm and drop more than 7mm: large majority of the running shoe on the market presently) for a BEGINNER or a CHILD."

    Not to my knowledge.
    I don't generally recommend traditional training flats (TTFs) for children due to their low body mass and more side to side activities in their play. Children seem to do well in thinner soled shoes such as racing flats for running and in thin soled athletic shoes for their everyday sports activities such as basketball, soccer, etc..
    As for your second question why a 200 lb, flat footed, beginner runner that will be running on hard surfaces could not use a racing flat to run in, I would personally recommend a TTF rather than a minimalist shoe for this runner due to the runner's body weight and the runner's presumably pronated feet. There is no good scientific evidence for this choice other than treating 1,000s of runners over the past 27+ years with similar size and foot structure. In other words, my personal experience would lead me to recommend the TTF style of shoe, probably a "motion control" or "stability" shoe, but I have no research evidence to back up my personal recommendation.
    Hope this now answers all your questions.
    Cheers,
    Kevin A. Kirby, DPM
     
  17. Bored now.
     
  18. toomoon

    toomoon Well-Known Member

    Blaise.. get a grip.. for the last time.. I did not run away.. I was in the USA.. a meeting arrange before I even knew who you were... I am happy to be on your team to talk about whatever you wish.. any time I am available.. what is the fee.. of course if you are charging 650 a head i would expect to be paid..
     
  19. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    Yes... now with that little episode behind us ;) (I hope). Next time Blaise, please start a new thread - if that wasn't a hijack, I don't know what is.

    With the London Olympics just round the corner now, I would like to see this thread as just - Great Olympic Moments In Track & Field (I've got some Aussies I want to show off :D.)

    But first...
    I can imagine you doing that Kevin - surely inspirational stuff. We need more of this stuff in our lives!

    Now to some Australians - yet this next Olympic moment is somewhat similar to the Dave Wottle race. It is of the 1964 Tokyo Olympic 10 000m. Australian Ron Clarke was a multiple world record holder (17 world records :eek:) & the then current world record holder for the 10 000m, & was the favourite for the race... but favourites don't always win...



    Inspirational stuff. Interesting views about the power of the subconscious mind (I suppose somewhat related to Professor Noakes interesting Central Governor Theory). I remember when I was a young teenager watching a movie about Billy Mills on T.V. It was a great movie of someone coming from nowhere to become an Olympic Champion - testimony to the human spirit. I also remember the movie depicting some racial discrimination against Billy because he was a Native American (Indian). Would like to see that movie again. Anyway, I would consider Ron Clarke to be the greatest athlete never to win an Olympic Gold.

    Next is of the 1960 Rome Olympic 1500m. Australian, Herb Elliot won in a new world record (3.35.6).
    Bit of Australian humour also present...


    Next is the 1968 Mexico City Olympic 800m. Australian Ralph Doubell won Gold - equalling the world record (1.44.3). A time which is still the Australian 800m record... I think Ralph is also the last male track Olympic gold medallist for Australia :empathy:.



    Great finishing kick. He was trained by Roger Bannister's ex coach (Franz Stampfl).
     
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  20. JB1973

    JB1973 Active Member

    hey Simon, just listened to an interview with Bubka and he said that Japanese scientists have analysed a couple of his clearances and came to the conclusion that if they were measured, they would have been around 6.27! not sure how they did it but considering no-one has got near 6.15 since, they definately wouldnt get near 6.27!

    JB
     
  21. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMGTiQClVMM
     
  22. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    Keeping in spirit with the title of the thread - great result for Great Britain with Mo Farah winning the 10 000m in a great race... 2nd was training partner Galen Rupp from the United States... coach Alberto Salazar must be one happy guy. Bronze medallist was Tariku Bekele ahead of his legendary brother Kenenisa Bekele.

    Mo Farah wins Olympic 10,000m gold for Great Britain.

    Golden Mo-ment! Farah wins 10,000m to complete stunning night for Britain.

    Golden night for Great Britain with Gold also to Jessica Ennis’s in the heptathlon & Greg Rutherford’s long jump win (with Australian Mitchell Watt silver).
     
  23. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    Keeping in the spirit of the alternative thread subject - Great Olympic Moments, the following performance by Kenyan 800m runner David Rudisha will be seen as a classic...

    Stunning! Rudisha 1:40.91 World Record in London! - UPDATED

    David Rudisha is such a class athlete... but didn't quite expect what eventuated in the Olympic final... a world record (1:40.91) & one of the (if not the) greatest 800m races of all time - the whole field was fast, which is fairly rare for an Olympic race.

    One world record, next an African record, National & World Junior record for Botswana, another national record (Ethiopia), 4 personal bests & another season best. 1:42.82 only got you 4th and 1:43:77 last!!

    Here is the video. Not sure how long it's going to last as the IOC have already taken down one of the Olympic 800m videos...



    Would have to be one of the most gifted athletes on the track... he is such an incredible mover - powerful with great technique!
     
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  24. Now that the 2012 London Olympics are all over, I just wanted to say how much I have enjoyed watching this event over the past two weeks. I think that the UK has done a marvelous job over the past few weeks in hosting this world class event and the 2012 London Olympics is one of the best I have ever had the pleasure to watch. All those who helped organize and make the London Olympics run so smoothly should all be proud of the job they did. Good job London!!

    In addition, it was great seeing all the venues on TV including the many sites in London that my wife and I have had the pleasure to visit on numerous occasions. Seeing all these historic places again just makes us want to go back again to visit this lovely city.

    And finally, congratulations to all the athletes for all their hard work that ensured true world class athletic competitions. It was an awesome show of strength, grace, speed, endurance, skill and emotion. I loved it!:drinks

    I especially loved this German discus athlete, Robert Harting, who won the gold and then ripped his top off....Hulk style.....wish I could do that...:rolleyes:
     
  25. blinda

    blinda MVP

    Consider yourself Anglo-phide ;)
     
  26. ....the "lovely" was for you and Simon....Bel:drinks
     
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