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Joint moments in forefoot vs rearfoot strike running

Discussion in 'Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses' started by Craig Payne, Feb 20, 2012.

  1. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Mahalo,

    Please continue throwing stones if you are not a consultant for an existing orthotics company or have a book out that is now out of date...

    Should we inform the DoD that we should stop having our soldiers wear helmets or blast resistant vests because the Kevar or Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethelene in causing more dammage than good?

    Mahalo,
    Steve

    Kingetics- Puncturing the Goliath Deception of Safe Boots...TM
     
  2. David Wedemeyer

    David Wedemeyer Well-Known Member

    That has to be the most pusillanimous argument that I have ever read Steve. If you had a viable product we might be competitors and since you do not and we don't build blast skivvies, what's your point here?

    Is this you Steve?

    http://biomch-l.isbweb.org/threads/22267-Kingetics-has-been-Excomunicated-from-Biomch-L

    "Kingetics has been Excomunicated from Biomch-L"

    The others are right, you're fishing for free advice. Again the question was is this venture to protect soldiers or is it to reduce overuse injuries? I think it was a fair question based on this posting:

    http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showpost.php?p=251068&postcount=63

    In another post you mention that "there may be some good folks who could understand and assist our vetting of this new technology." I propose that if you hadn't waddled in here guns blaring and blowing smoke up our asses, some of the people capable of answering your questions may have taken an interest. Now your chances are probably :pigs:

    Goodbye Steve

    Weegetics: Calling it what is is when it's crap and possesses a foul attitude - TM
     
  3. efuller

    efuller MVP

    Steve,
    When you first came to the arena you asked for help vetting your device. We are not throwing stones, we are trying to get you to answer the question what claims about your device are you trying to vett. You have to look at one claim at a time and be thorough in examining each claim. Proper research methodology requires that you question the claim being made. Do you want to vett your claims or do you want to keep making wild claims without any evidence to support them.

    My orthotics cure acne and shrink hemorroids and yours don't.... TM
    Eric
     
  4. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Mahalo Eric,

    I am happy for you that you practice Wellness Biomechanics TM. Dennis will be happy to have you attend one of his workshops.

    Our orthotics do no shrink hemorroids nor acne.

    They are made out of advanced materials that are highly puncture resistant. They have been designed to maximize the mechanical properties of composites which can reduce impact loading rates, increase gait efficiency and reduce forefoot shearing forces that will reduce ulcer incidence.

    Please do not assume that you are the only "guru's" "working" on this project.

    The Spring Orthotic Device patent is a sound document with strong science that very few on this web site have read or understand.

    We look forward to the day when we all look back at these postings without darksided anger and frustration clouding our vision. I will admit i have been a little frustrating.

    I grew up in the Dakota's and have learned you can take a mule to water but you better not force him to drink. I leave that up to you and your learned education.

    The Kingetic Challange given to Drew at Biomch-L and Simon here at Podiatry Arena remains unanswered with any solid science, just angry rhetoric.

    Mahalo,
    Steve

    Kingetics- Making Fast Faster...TM
     
  5. Is it possible that "Dr. Stephen King" and Dennis Shavelson are one and the same?

    Claims of product superiority.....unsubstantiated marketing claims....no substantial evidence of product superiority or of marketing claims....fancy slogans.....becomes defensive when people don't agree their product is the best available....only posts on Podiatry Arena when they can promote or defend their product....

    Anyone else getting that sense of deja vu?
     
  6. What? Oh, I think you mean "challenge". That is "to prove the null hypothesis" as you put it. As Dr Drew Smith pointed out to you over on Biomech-L, null-hypotheses are not there to be "proven". As I pointed out to you sometime ago, it is up to you to prove your marketing claims.

    The "challenge"- hmm, lets see: I carry out a piece of research for you but you provide no funding; if I want to make your orthotic to carry out said research I have to do it myself, without any photographs from you to guide me; while you've apparently received a grant from the US government to do just that, but obviously lack the required skills/ motivation and/ or have blown the money already. Hmmm, lets see, no thanks- I'm washing my hair tonight.
     
  7. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    I have been toying with the idea of some form of "spring orthotic" for a while now myself. Just recently came across this thread (sorry to rehash it - I've read all & understand the frustration).

    Dr King; I'm posting here because I am sincerely interested - that is not wanting to take away your ideas or criticize your views & the apparent device you claim to be working well. Just have a genuine interest in the orthotic concept (which isn't a new one). I personally feel this concept does have potential importance/relevance.

    An answer of... "please make your own pair" isn't a conducive one in light of your stated original intentions here... & doesn't help the situation in light of what has been transpiring. A request for a picture/photograph of the device you have been testing/wearing is a perfectly legit/reasonable request in light of the situation here. I'm sure you would ask likewise if you were coming from our perspective.

    Besides, from my understanding, you have built the device & have worn it extensively (i.e. in marathons) & claimed it is working well - then what exactly are you further requiring from your input here... improvement on the design/function?

    I thought this device of yours is patented... i.e. "Spring Orthotic Device", "Spring Orthotic Device". Hence I personally can't see the concern.

    It seems you would be inclined to upload a video on this thread (despite not wanting to show a photograph) but wasn't able to. You could easily upload a video on YouTube (make it private or restrict viewing to those who click the link) then post the link here. Others may then provide more respect to your presence here... & possibly give you some valuable feedback.

    Like I've said, I can't see the issue in providing some sort of visual proof that you are/have worked on a device of this nature... & have progressed further than sketches.

    All I can picture now is a very small diagram like the following...

    [​IMG]

    All the best for future development.


    PS... this "Spring Orthotic" dialogue would probably benefit from a separate thread.
     
  8. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Mahalo Matt,

    Your concern for our lack of a publishing a photograph of our technology on the open web is noted.

    We often consult diagrams in our surgical texts and journals with out the privilage of pictures. Often pictures do not explain the technology as well as mechanical diagrams and equations as has been provided in the Spring Orthotic Device patent.

    This is an open forum for us to keep in touch with what new may be coming that may help us do our jobs better.

    I was hoping for a reasonable dialog about the use of simple machines in orthotics and shoes,,

    ie Why does a cowgirl wear a high heel boot? A high heel creates a declining plane which will increase forward velocity over a shorter distance. It will assist with walking on inclining slopes which cowgirls often do while rustling up stray cattle,,,not just for the increased rump bump as Simon Spooner has suggested.

    We can do better than foam.
    Our patients and soldiers need something better as well.

    A Hui Hou,
    Steve

    Kingetics- Straightening Wining Loads...TM
     
  9. musmed

    musmed Active Member

    Wow!
    I have cowboys wearing the same shoe!
    How the hell can a high heeled boot help youwalk up an incline?
    You will have to do better than that

    I thought the horse went up the hill for you and your high heeled boot stopped your foot from slipping out of the stirrup.

    I tried some spring loaded shoes in Atlanta a few years back. The force they placed upon the first MET was amazing.
    I'd reckon you would be a cripple in an hour or less

    Anyway
    what is wrong with the mechanics we have?

    Stinking wet for 8th day here and cool
    Regards
    Paul Conneely
    www.musmed.com.au
     
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