'Rothbarts' foot

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hi,

apparently i am required to ask a question before i am allowed to search the forums...so, be that as it may,..is there anyone out there that has dealt with "rothbarts foot".....if so pls post some feedback,..ty in advance

djsell

 

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Rothbart's Foot is a useless classification of a very common foot structure that has been previously described by many other authors before. However, in this instance, the title was conjured up by a man whose only purpose for putting his name on it was to glorify his own name by suggesting he was the first to describe the pathology.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I wouldn't waste your time trying to learn anything more about it.

 

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Relax, Dr Kirby. You'll soon be eating Belgium Chocolates and sipping Belgium beer.:drinks

 

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And enjoying my time with you, as always......Dr. Spooner.....:drinks

 

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Actually, I'd read the work of Morton: http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showpost.php?p=238523&postcount=98

And things like this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2076778/pdf/procrsmed00451-0021.pdf

And then laugh at how an adult could be so egocentric as to try to rename something after themselves in this day and age.

Then, read the rest of the papers in this thread: http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showthread.php?t=72460

Which reminds me: does anyone have Eric Lee's works they could mail to me, please?

 

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thanks folks,

as i surmised when my pt sent me links, then hauled in copies of the site to read, bc i have nothing else to do with my weekends!!( i figured i'd save hrs of useless reading by consulting the group)

in any event, she actually had this fellow rothbart ( who she openly stated was an egotistical, arrogant sob ) fabricate tics that were wedged so high medially rf to ff that she was developing lateral pressures from "falling off" of them in her shoes!

apparently he is cast off in espana for poss illegalities ???

she does have a ligamentous laxity throughout her tissues w considerable hyperflex to all jts of the lower extrem, poss neuroma to the 2nd is left, met primus elevatus and dev a severe pf, settled for the time being w a cort cocktail,..she is to be back this week for f/u and biomech exam.

thx again for the info.

btw, when i searched "rothbarts foot", the site stated i had not been active for a long time and that i should ask a question to become part of the forum ??, anyway, thats how i interpreted it........??

djsell

 

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Same experience with Rothbart and group. The poor design of the insert being a wedge instead of a flat lift causes lateral shift instead of lift. Bypass the product and just add and subtract rectangular pieces of adhesive felt under the insole that comes with the shoe until the posture is corrected.

Much cheaper and so simple most of my clients take home pieces of felt and do it themselves. But then I am not a doctor in it for the big $.

 

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Hi hans

Thx for the advise,i will try it first and see how she does.

Djsell

 

Djsell,

The proprioceptive insoles I designed are only to be used for one of the two abnormal inherited foot structures that I have published on (Primus Metatarsus Supinatus or the PreClinical Clubfoot Deformity). If this type of insole is used on any other foot type, not only will they not work, but they might make the patient worse.

Professor Rothbart

 

So, Brian, if you haven't published an article on a certain "type" of foot, your insoles won't work on them? So "Rothbart's Proprioceptive Insoles" only work on "Rothbart's Foot"?

You know something Brian, I have a hard time understanding how you can think we are all so stupid that we actually believe anything you say after all of the ridiculous information you have published on the internet over the years just for the sake of lining your wallet, you self-proclaimed "Father of Chronic Pain Elimination".

How do you sleep at night?

 

Bloodsuckers don't!

Bill

 

Very professional reply!

 

Sage words from the consummate "professional".

 

Wot no calendar? I was thinking about buying a "one direction" calendar because they're talented... complaints from patients, I can't hold out much longer...

 

I don't really know much about Dr Rothbarts innersoles but every time I hear a health professional using the word "proprioceptive" in relation to "innersoles" it signals an alarm bell to run for the hills!

 

It's coming - will have to be an April to April version this year sorry. My printer hisnae been well....

 

How about trying to prop it up with a proprioceptive insole? It cures everything else.

All the best

Bill

 

It's a she and I would have serious reservations for my future existence if I suggested anything might prop her up. She's front row English Ladies Rugby team!

 

That explains it. Thought I`d fallen off the A-list.

 

I have been continuously amused and amazed at the heated (and somewhat childish) comments generated on this forum when discussing my research (incidentally almost always the same core of 6-8 individuals).

What I have found most amazing is that most comments are made with little or no supportive evidence (to date no published studies repeating any of my clinical studies). I have often invited my beloved critics to prove me wrong. For if I am going down a blind alley, I would happily change directions (if proven wrong).

Please understand - It is not my intent to prove anything. It is my intent to simply present my research and findings.

Professor Rothbart

 

Don't count me in amongst your 6-8 haters. I was merely pointing out a fact. The real word for it doesn't sound half as cool as "proprioceptive"......

 

I can help you there.


Kevin said:-

Brian, in one of his published "works" (and I use the term loosely) said :-

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So, to recap, sup talar joint in neutral, medial forefoot off the ground due to torsion in the talus, Is apparently a PMS or "rothbarts" foot. Pathognomonic of it in fact (its "pathognomonic" BTW).

A swift glance at Valmassy's "clinical biomechanics of the lower extremity" however, offers this definition for forefoot varus

So, to recap, Forefoot Varus is a condition described 4 decades ago in which the torsion of the neck of the talus causes the forefoot to be inverted when the rearfoot is in neutral.

Whereas “Rothbarts foot” is a condition in which the torsion of the neck of the talus causes the forefoot to be inverted when the rearfoot is in neutral.

This being the case, one might consider describing this as an “unreported foot type” and ascribing one’s own name to it is a little disingenuous.

Also, if you're going to make a PMSv (remember thats the height of the 1st mpj off the ground when the STJ is in neutral) of 11mm - 24mm PATHOGNOMONIC of PMS (Rothbarts foot) then you have to include forefoot supinatus as well as Varus. Which means the whole idea is not even internally consistent. If PMSv of 11 -24mm is pathognomic (lit "a particular sign whose presence means that a particular disease is present beyond any doubt") and Rothbarts foot is described as a foot with a rotated talar head, then by inference, any inverted forefoot must be caused by a rotated head. Which is, of course, nonsense.

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Funny that. Nobody wants to repeat your "studies". Wonder why.

Brian, if I claim to be able to cure gout with my tears or to be able to Poop pearls and widdle fine wine, and claim to have done "studies" which prove it, you don't need a sample of my tears to test to draw the correct inference that I am, in fact, making stuff up.

And if I claim to have discovered a previously unreported condition called "Isaacs Toe", which is a condition wherein a hard cornified area of skin forms on an area of high pressure causing pain, you're well within your rights to point out that this is not, in fact, an unreported condition.


1. Rothbart B.A. Primus metatarsus Supinatus (Rothbarts Foot): A common cause of musculoskeletal pain – Biomechanical vs Neurophysiological Model Podiatry Review June 2011

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As an aside, Isaacs feels that rothbarts repeated referral to rothbart in the third person is quite irritating.

 

Are you mad?! You'll have little baby printers running around everywhere!

 

How things have changed since 2013. In 2022 several research studies have been published in the European orthopedic community that parallels my research.

The PreClinical Clubfoot Deformity (Rothbart 2002), in Europe is termed Progressive Collapsing Foot Deformity.