STJ neutral and Forefoot deviation

Graham, as you know, you are a critic of my work but now that you have violated the TP's and the inherent bias of The Arena by including one friendly thought towards one of their unwelcomed, you are forever labeled "one of us".

I warned you that something like this would happen and I am truly sorry that it has.
I hope this disclaimer reinstates you in the eyes of the TP's

The way to profit from this mopent is to review the many posters who jump to Kevin's aid when I expose him as the entrepeneur, profiteerer and manipulator he is by questioning my motives (#3).
Consider reducing the value of their posts in the future. That is what I have learnbed to do.

Simon: You have so much to offer, short of your anger and insecurity.
I'm willing to try to grow up if you will.

Dr Sha

 

Ouch! Simon, rest assured I have not been born again to the "MASS produced" rhetoric. Just hoping to mediate some more reasonable and educational responses from Dennnisigs:

I'm not a member of your club Dennis nor do I want to be. Although I have often been openly critical of Kevin, Simon et al, I hold them all in great esteem and have incorporated much of SARLE and Tissue Stress approaches into my practice with great results.

Regards

 

Dennis,

Do you recognize how offensive your conduct is? Dad was my father, Dr. Merton Root was my mentor. Both you and Ed have offspring in your lab businesses. Why not ask them to come on the arena to defend your theories and work? For many years the doctors on the phone and attending Root Lab conferences did not necessarily know my last name because I wanted to be respected for my knowledge, not my last name. Why do you persist in attempting to kill a healthy discussion atmosphere with personal attacks, immature behavior and childish antics? You also would be doing yourself and others a favor to lighten up on the unnecessary bolding and the ridiculously large font sizes because in my opinion, they actually detract from your point and potential validity.

The debate document I posted was directed at all of us, myself included. I was hoping that it might encourage a more professional and respectable format for debate. It appears that you were personally offended by it. Why?

The first thing you wrote in your reply was:

Dennis, you either didn’t read the document or intentionally violated the very first rule:
1. Name calling: debater tries to diminish the argument of his opponent by calling the opponent a name that is subjective and unattractive; (ie Jeff is a poor debater).

I try not to get frustrated and I attempt to see the benefit of this forum, but there are times! On the other hand, Simon recently presented me with some challenging questions that I could not answer. I respected his challenge for its content and for the manner in which it was presented. Exploring those questions will benefit me. That's the kind of event that makes me appreciate the value of this forum in spite of it all.

 

Jeff and Graham:

Not only are his comments offensive and personal, they border on paranoid and delusional. In all my years on these on-line forums, I have never seen anything like it. These type of discussions reveal, very clearly, the true personalities of those involved.

 

Agreed. It's called "Narciccistic Personality Disorder"

 

Graham:
I'm glad that you have defended your position with regards to me on The Arena. Your motives for allowing a private relationship seem very noble.

I wonder why you have not made a private or shared response to the material I emailed to you?

My review of you on the internet find you to be a wound healer, podiatrist, educator and someone with substance.

I did not see any reference to your ability to diagnose "mental" disorders.
However, you hit me right on the mark.

I'm an anorexic, socially withdrawn, depressed mooded, dysrythmic, suffering from a Major Depressive Disorder with sustained levels of shame.

Can you help me come out of my shell and teach me about food consumption?

Seriously, you didn't have to go so far into Jeff's Debate Rule #1 to repair the damage done by making a friendly comment about me and I'll get over it.

Please quote me:
I have admitted to dysfunction and insecurity that I have tried to overcome during my lifetime and certainly, as I explained to you in conversation, The Arena brings out the worst in me.

To quote Dr. Glaser, another possible NPD, from one of the MASS threads, "Where are your Glass Houses".

My personna on The Arena exists around biomechanics and that is what I continue to debate. Please try your best to separate my Arena character from who I am.

In the past few days, I have learned so much stuff that I am applying to my work as we keyboard but we are paying a cost to our reputations and our use of our valuable time.

Dr Sha

 

Most importantly Jeff,
Do you realize how offensive the conduct has personally been towards me on The Arena?
You have no idea how difficult it is for my socially withdrawn personality to fight to react in kind.

Please review my history on The Arena to see who evoked Jeff's Rule #1 first.

You misinterpreted what I wrote.
I added #1 to my statement acknowledging where that statement should be filed as to import (in the garbage). Do you get it now.

Your debate document was great and in that light, I will from now on refer to it as
JEFF's RULES and refer to them on my posts. Others may follow if they wish but be forwarned as I did Graham that you may be misconstrued as my best friend and punished by the TP. Jeff's Rule #3.

Secondly, As Dr. Root has been mentor and the foundation of biomechanics for most of us and you state that you want to be recognized for your own contributions, why don't you just stop referring to him as your father (you haven't done a good job of keeping it a secret) and surface as relying on your own merits.

If someone considers this comment offensive, I would say the same to Frank Sinatra's or Einsteins kids as well, constructively.

I, like you, see the benefits of this forum but I do not seem to be as upset as you by the personal attacks as they are part of its fabric.
They are necessary in order to maintain its converts.

Dr Sha

PS: I will try to reduce the bold, emphasis, etc in the future and thanks for the sound advice.

 

Well **** Wilbur, maybe I should just change my f***ing name to Bob Smith, orphan! This gets stranger by the minute.

 

Anyway, back to the discussion we were having before we were rudely interrupted. Jeff, this is an interesting paper: http://www.clinbiomech.com/article/S0268-0033(06)00159-8/abstract I don't have access to the full text yet. But it seems to suggesting that the forefoot to rearfoot coupling is modified by the wearing of shoes.

 

Who are you? Do I know you?:welcome::sinking:

 

For you sir

 

This too:
http://ptjournal.apta.org/cgi/reprint/74/2/149

I wonder if the forefoot varus post decreases the forefoot to rearfoot coupling and hence is less effective in controlling rearfoot pronation when used in isolation? All the more reason to add a rearfoot post to your devices, but we don't know anyone who advocates not putting a rearfoot post on foot orthoses, do we?

Jeff, it seems the forefoot to rearfoot measuring device is alive and well and being used in cycling:
http://www.bikefit.com/docs/FFMD.pdf

Note they do not try to measure with the STJ in neutral.

 

Thats maybe not so dumb - we used to put the STJ in neutral and lock the MTJ against the subtalar joint and then measure.

BUT now after the work of Nester et al we know that the MTJ is an independent joint and there is no locking etc. So if the forefoot is measured against the 3 body planes there maybe some more repeatable measurments. Which i guess was Eric and Kevin´s point about using the ground as a point of reference - BUT then how does that help in prescription writing, ?

 

Right, I think I got it now, when Eric was describing it the other night I couldn't work out what he was saying. Still not sure how we measure forefoot angle to the ground though. Like I said if we measure forefoot to rearfoot alignment, we still have to choose a rearfoot position...

 

Simon, take a look at this link for yesterday's PM News. Scroll down and read what I wrote. Funny coincidence!

http://www.podiatrym.com/pmnewsissues.cfm

 

Did you father patent it? They might owe you some...

 

Jeff:

The reason I find these comments about your father and you so distasteful is that I have known you now personally for the past 25+ years and have always found you to be one of the most knowledgeable people that I know of in foot and lower extremity biomechanics and orthosis therapy. You tower above most podiatrists in your biomechanics/foot orthosis knowledge and should never be ashamed at how you conduct yourself. I have never seen or heard you take credit for being the son of your famous father as a means to increase your credibility. In fact, you should really be lecturing and teaching much more widely than you already do since I feel you have an incredible amount on knowledge to offer to most podiatrists.

Therefore, don't give up on Podiatry Arena. You are one of the shining stars of this forum.

 

Jeff's cool. Everyone who's met him knows that.

But that doesn't mean I have to agree with you Bob.

 

Dr Sha does not need and further consideration. My advice is to keep to the topic and ignore completely any postings by this loonatic! Believe me I know! I am currently living under threats of bodily harm from a Narcissist! My lovely ladies X and his father! There is no other way to deal with them than to ignore them.

With absolute respect.

 

Wow, that's a biggy, be careful. Keep yourself safe. Either that or go round to his place and twat him. Just an option.
I'm not afraid
Of anything in this world
There's nothing you can throw at me
That I haven't already heard
I'm just trying to find
A decent melody
A song that I can sing
In my own company

I never thought you were a fool
But darling, look at you. Ooh.
You gotta stand up straight, carry your own weight
'Cause tears are going nowhere baby

You've got to get yourself together
You've got stuck in a moment
And now you can't get out of it
Don't say that later will be better
Now you're stuck in a moment
And you can't get out of it


I will not forsake
The colors that you bring
The nights you filled with fireworks
They left you with nothing
I am still enchanted
By the light you brought to me
I listen through your ears
Through your eyes I can see

You are such a fool
To worry like you do.. Oh
I know it's tough
And you can never get enough
Of what you don't really need now
My, oh my

You've got to get yourself together
You've got stuck in a moment
And you can't get out of it
Oh love, look at you now
You've got yourself stuck in a moment
And you can't get out of it
Oh lord look at you now
You've got yourself stuck in a moment
And you cant get out of it

I was unconscious, half asleep
The water is warm 'til you discover how deep
I wasn't jumping, for me it was a fall
It's a long way down to nothing at all

You've got to get yourself together
You've got stuck in a moment
And you can't get out of it
Don't say that later will be better
Now you're stuck in a moment
And you can't get out of it

And if the night runs over
And if the day won't last
And if your way should falter
Along this stony pass

It's just a moment
This time will pass

Y'all know who.

 

for as long as and as well as I know you,
Ditto

Dr Sha

 

Tried that. Nacissits don't do well with confrontation. They called the Police:boxing: Nothing to do but wait for a cap in the face:boohoo: Fortunately they are usually all talk

 

Just started using Langer UK, for some of my devices, I noticed they too sell forefoot to rearfoot measuring devices along with "calcaneal bisectors" and "segmometers"
http://www.lbguk.co.uk/uk/home.php?cat=327

It would be good to see a study of inter-tester variation in calcaneal bisection using these gizmo's- anyone used one?