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What ever happened to freedom of speech?

Discussion in 'United Kingdom' started by Disgruntled pod, Apr 3, 2012.

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  1. Disgruntled pod

    Disgruntled pod Active Member


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    On TFS, the thread in which the SMAE were being critisized has been deleted. IMO there was nothing libellous or offensive, just factual! or questions being asked!
     
  2. Catfoot

    Catfoot Well-Known Member

    Disgruntled,
    I think we all know that it is not defamatory to ask questions of, criticize or make a fair comment about any organisation that touts its wares in the public arena. Any organisation that screams "foul" at any hint of scrutiny should be viewed with suspicion in my opinion.

    Now let's see if there is any pressure to pull this burgeoning thread .........:rolleyes:

    Curious Catfoot
     
  3. I think pressure is unlikely. I doubt there will be many on here who give a scuttering **** if a thread on TFS got pulled. Hands up who couldn't care less.

    Its all a bit dull really.:morning:
     
  4. RobinP

    RobinP Well-Known Member

    What is TFS?
     
  5. thatfootsite.

    Its a forum.
     
  6. RobinP

    RobinP Well-Known Member

    A forum eh? I mean....what loser goes on forums?:rolleyes:
     
  7. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    "Freedom of Speech" is generally a political right to criticize governments without risk of persecution.

    TFS and Podiatry Arena are private and not government organizations.
     
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    NewsBot The Admin that posts the news.

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    Freedom of speech

    Eleanor Roosevelt and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948)—Article 19 states that "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."[1]
    Orator at Speakers' Corner in London, 1974

    Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The right to freedom of expression has been recognised as a human right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international human rights law by the United Nations. Many countries have constitutional law that protects free speech. Terms like free speech, freedom of speech, and freedom of expression are used interchangeably in political discourse. However, in a legal sense, the freedom of expression includes any activity of seeking, receiving, and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

    Article 19 of the UDHR states that "everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". The version of Article 19 in the ICCPR later amends this by stating that the exercise of these rights carries "special duties and responsibilities" and may "therefore be subject to certain restrictions" when necessary "[f]or respect of the rights or reputation of others" or "[f]or the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals".[2]

    Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, hate speech, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, blasphemy and perjury. Justifications for such include the harm principle, proposed by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty, which suggests that "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others".[3]

    The idea of the "offense principle" is also used to justify speech limitations, describing the restriction on forms of expression deemed offensive to society, considering factors such as extent, duration, motives of the speaker, and ease with which it could be avoided.[3] With the evolution of the digital age, application of freedom of speech becomes more controversial as new means of communication and restrictions arise, for example, the Golden Shield Project, an initiative by Chinese government's Ministry of Public Security that filters potentially unfavourable data from foreign countries.

    The Human Rights Measurement Initiative[4] measures the right to opinion and expression for countries around the world, using a survey of in-country human rights experts.[5]

    1. ^ "Universal Declaration of Human Rights". United Nations. Archived from the original on 2 October 2019. Retrieved 2 October 2020.
    2. ^ "Article 19". International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights; adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession by UN General Assembly resolution 2200A (XXI) of 16 December 1966, entry into force 23 March 1976. Archived from the original on 5 July 2008. Retrieved 13 March 2014.
    3. ^ a b van Mill, David (1 January 2016). "Freedom of Speech". In Zalta, Edward N. (ed.). The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2016 ed.). Archived from the original on 18 March 2019. Retrieved 12 October 2016.
    4. ^ "Human Rights Measurement Initiative – The first global initiative to track the human rights performance of countries". humanrightsmeasurement.org. Retrieved 9 March 2022.
    5. ^ "Right to opinion and expression - HRMI Rights Tracker". rightstracker.org. Retrieved 9 March 2022.
     
  9. It all seems rather parachronistic.:rolleyes:
     
  10. Catfoot

    Catfoot Well-Known Member

    KK,

    what is?

    RI,

    Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but changes are in the wind

    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/stop-government-snooping#petition

    regards

    Catfoot
     
  11. blinda

    blinda MVP

    [​IMG]
     
  12. ROFL!!!
     
  13. Call me cynical, or even apathetic, but if there IS a government move toward cynical and sinister survelance of the Public through their internet use I rather doubt that they will be much discouraged by a petition. Very few budding totalitarian regimes get thrown down that way.

    And what that has to do with a discussion over smae, I really don't know.
     
  14. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    YAWN :rolleyes: ( Couldnt agree more Rob)

    DP, dont you think you should be asking your question back at the cesspit as that is the only place that your issue can be addressed ?

    I think the possibility of "Nemesis" being unleashed again by the smae could have a bearing especially as CF has pointed out in the not too distant future you and those like you can be identified.:eek:

    Personally I dont go there but having heard ALL the sniping over many many years I dont think there is anything new to hear on that subject.
    Cheers
    D;)
     
  15. phil

    phil Active Member

    What is SMAE?
     
  16. Joe Bean

    Joe Bean Active Member

    Disgruntled/Phil

    You have chosen the wrong forum to explore your concerns.

    Pod arena is a world wide forum which has little knowledge or interest in the UK situation.

    Both the USA and Ausi have closed professions where arguably all practitioners have higher educational qualifications which stop 'other' people trading their trades as corn cutters.

    Any attempt to explain the UK situation will be shut down by the 'clique' and the site owner so best to walk away.

    If you are really interested follow the Kirby close down debate.
     
  17. You got me, what's the "Kirby close down debate"?:confused:
     
  18. blinda

    blinda MVP

    He doesn`t have me. Mr Bean is an irritation that I have chosen to add to my ignore list. Works for me.
     
  19. And do you really believe that he "has me"?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Qx_khHKGw
     
  20. blinda

    blinda MVP

    `Course I don`t. Go ahead and dance with him, might even tempt me to remove him from my idiot list.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2012
  21. Joe:

    I am interested also in what is the "Kirby close down debate". What do I want to close down?
     
  22. blinda

    blinda MVP

    Oh bum. Even the `ignore list` is futile when `ignored` posts are quoted. Guess we do need that button after all.
     
  23. Joe Bean

    Joe Bean Active Member

    Well folks

    the Kirby close down list?

    Did I get it wrong but was there not a movement to stop various posters from posting on this site initiated by professor Kirby?

    Joe
     
  24. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    As I said Kevin ,Trolls will irritate and follow wherever you go :bash:

    You made the comment you were thinking of "leaving the Arena" ?

    (Si, You were p****d off with the whole thing coz of Denis so stuff it ??)

    They will now seize on that and bring all their buddies in to try and close Pod A with spurious winde up posts as they did with Podiatry Solutions ( I'm suprised you dont remember that Rob :confused:) which closed that site:wacko: and make everybody lose interest as is happening.

    It's started now mate, up to you to sort the wheat from the chaff in posts.

    Good luck :empathy:

    Cheers
    D;)
     
  25. blinda

    blinda MVP

    la, la, la, la, la (said with fingers in my ears, obviously)
     
  26. Joe, could you please submit your real name, a brief CV and include your HPC registration number?
     
  27. Joe Bean

    Joe Bean Active Member

    Si my friend are you a joker?

    What exactly is your problem with me, or for that fact other people you feel unable to dictate too?

    How quickly the Tamworth cartel rise to a critical challenge is remarkable.

    I love this site, I learn lots.

    Joe.

    Not HPC registered, what is the HPC?
     
  28. Joe:

    I didn't want to "close anything down". I just wanted to be able to block the postings from certain posters appearing on my computer screen so I wouldn't be bothered by their continuous ignorant and self-servicing comments. They could continue to contribute to Podiatry Arena, but just didn't want to be notified of their postings or see their postings.

    Joe, if you were to have an academic website expressly designed for medical professionals, would you allow anyone to say anything on your website, or do you think you would want to moderate that website? Or are you of the opinion that anyone should be allowed to say anything they want, even on an academic website expressly designed for medical professionals?
     
  29. You know nothing. You did not supply your real name nor brief CV as requested. Since you have no knowledge of the HPC, you clearly have no place making comment regarding the politics of UK podiatry, nor training standards. You are clearly a coward. Next...

    Enough said, Del. This one is just a troll with no knowledge of the profession nor situation.
     
  30. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    Threads are closed because they have run their course and start to go over old ground. The closing of a thread is NOT an invitation to start a new thread to continue to litigate the same old issues over again.
     
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