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Wishing Away Warts
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I'll bet Harriet, the author, doesn't believe in Santa Claus too.
Where is the fun in hard cold science ;) -
I'm afraid I can't agree with you. I had a wart when I was seven. My mum told me it would go if I asked it really nicely to do so. It was gone within days. I was young enough to believe her, so mind over matter worked in my case.
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Right. Nothing to do with the fact that your immune system was on the look out for pathogens as you were pre-thymic involutional? -
I don't believe so, no.
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Actually, I remember now. I paid a wart charmer, who I found in the Yellow Pages, a nominal fee and buried a piece of meat in the garden as advised. Within three days my wart had disappeared......
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/opini...inking,-with-dr-morris-o'connor-201105243860/Last edited: Aug 17, 2011 -
These days I have a vagrant count them, write the exact number inside his hat and make him leave town, taking the children's warts with him. We have a good working relationship.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1293460/pdf/jrsocmed00115-0053.pdf -
You can scoff all you want. The power of positive thinking can do wonders. Cancer patients who have a positive attitude are more likely to survive than those who don't.
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Hi folks
The last alternative views re cancer treatment wasn't what I would call a success or well received, cancer is perhaps best left out of this discussion imo.
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Did you understand my question in post 4?
Whilst immunological factors are sometimes compromised in chronic stress and depression, that is a far cry from `wishing` a viral infection to resolve. -
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Immune system has - obviously - a great part to play in this.
When I was 6 i had a wart/VP which after a week's duration, fell out one night.
Forward 20 years and I picked up a new wart/VP on holiday and that took 4 years to remove. Finally ruthless debridement (took half my foot off at one point I think) and alternative cryotherapy and sal acid did the job...... and believe me I was wishing that "delightful guest" away!! -
I believe there may be some psychological effect on warts, especially considering the complexities of human neurological-endocrine-immune systems. One of our professors in podiatry school taught that if you burned a "wart contract" in front of a child, this may rid the child of the wart. Never tried it myself but stranger things than this have been reported in the annals of medicine.
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Here is a good review article for those who are interested in the concept of psychological factors affecting the immune system of the human organism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1361287/
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Agreed. I was merely questioning what appeared to be Suzannethefoot`s assertion that her immune system had no influence on the resolution of the virus.
I do have a copy of the above article, which I stumbled across during my current research into immunology.
(Shame about the `abbv.` for the reference though ;);
Psychol Bull. 2004 July; 130(4): 601–630.
doi: 10.1037/0033-2909.130.4.601 PMCID: PMC1361287
NIHMSID: NIHMS4008)
Cheers,
Bel -
My Daughter ( now 17 ) has had said warts for over 6 years, i've tried, silver nitrate, sal acid, duct tape, laser therapy, making it bleed etc...... ( Though she will not allow me to do the needling technique as she watched it on you tube!) It started as one small verrucca and has now spread all over her met area of one foot.
Currently she is using lemon tea tree, ive been waiting a long time for her immune response to kick in and kick its butt, so.........im off to bury some meat in the back garden, burn the contract, find that guy in yellow pages and surround her shoes in positive thoughts....happy to try anything once! Let you know how I get on. :wacko: -
Good luck with the meat thing. Apparently it only works if you are naked and you bury it at midnight.
Any chance of posting the facetube link of the needling demo?
Cheers,
Bel -
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Which is the point of the first post. How did you know the treatment worked vs the VP went away spontaneously due to its natural history. -
Isn't the point of medical treatment of many pathologies to make painful conditions or disabling conditions go away so that people can be more healthy, active and lead more happy, productive lives? I've seen people with VPs that have been there for 10 years....I don't think these people want to hear that "they resolve themselves" after having walked in pain for 10 years. I don't understand your point. -
I never said they should be not treated. You treat them because:
1. You do not know when that natural resolution is going to happen
2. They are painful
3. They causing a cosmetic problem
4. To lessen risk of spreading
Its just that the success of any treatment *could* by chance coincide with a natural spontaneous resolution -
Cheers,
Bel
EDIT: Sorry, Kevin pipped me to the post.... -
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If a patients only reason for treating is to prevent spreading I nearly always advise them not to treat them. -
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I don't know if I am making myself clear or not - Im not arguing just trying to establish whether anyone has proved that the virus lives and dies - being able to say they resolve spontaneously just by observation doesn't show how they resolve
its late here and Im not sure if that sounds like a load of bollox or not - will read again in the morning -
You may find these papers of interest;
According to Favre the productive `life cycle` (which includes latent, subclinical and clinical infections/manifestation) of the HPV depends on the terminal differentiation of keratinocytes as they migrate towards the surface of the epidermis.
Patient here, will post more later.
Cheers,
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Having re-read your posts, I`m not really sure what you`re asking, Steve? Did the articles help?
Must get together soon to discuss dermy stuff :drinks
Cheers,
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