There has been a bit of a buzz over the last 24 about this.
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Here is a teaser video from Adidas:
Peter Larsen blogged about it. There was this forum thread at Runners World. Another blog commented:
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Adidas is making unfair claims that it invented BOOST technology.....the evidence from video archives clearly shows that Fred McMurray invented this technology in 1961....originally known as FLUBBER.....:rolleyes:
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So, what is ADIDAS doing here. In this sneak preview BOOST gets incorporated in a 'minimalist' come racing flat style shoe. Wait, isn't shock absorbing footwear out of favor, at the moment?
The bouncing ball is cute, but I am not sure what information is conveyed about the properties of the material. Returning energy to the foot, if that should be possible, is it desirable, or instead perhaps contribute to pathology? How does this material know where and when to return the energy?
Wait, perhaps I am over-thinking.... could it be this is just a marketing exercise to sell shoes, by way of damage limitation to an industry with profit margins at risk. That any material would claim to "change running forever" is a lofty one indeed.
From the web: adidas Running has just released this teaser of its upcoming adidas BOOST technology. Proclaiming that “this will change running forever,” adidas’s newest cushioning technology is composed of thermoplastic beads that are fused together, forming the midsole of the shoe. Promising unrivaled energy return – Runners World found it topped 800 other tested shoes for energy return after impact – the shoe looks set to usher in a new era of performance running shoes. Check out the teaser to see the technology in action and stay tuned for further information.
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Adidas have a global embargo on more info on this until Feb 14.
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Looks like Adidas is trying to perfect the proprioception attenuator to me. Why not just invent a pill that will make the soles of the feet numb?
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Although there are no proprioceptive sensors per se in the actual sole of the foot the foot is loaded with proprioceptive sensors in its muscles, tendons and joints. In bipedal and monopedal functions they are activated by the weight of the superincumbent body compressing the arches of the foot against a reaction force (usually from ground). This loads the joints of the foot as well as the tendons and muscles. Where are the load points of the foot? In the sole primarily under (plantar) aspect of the calcaneus and heads of the 5 metatarsals. The propricoceptive flow should ideally be linear. But in most footwear it is anything but because the quarter of the footwear emanating from the shoe sole (no propricoceptive sensors here) wraps up and over the dorsum and about the hindfoot where it introduces foreign forces into the proprioceptive sensors of the joints thus contaminating proprioceptive data.
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That is not proprioception; that the exteroceptive pathway.
So if a shoe does interfere with that, what is actually wrong with that?
Just because a someone say its does, does not mean it does. There is no doubt that something soft under the foot does initiate impact moderating behavior but no one has ever shown or demonstrated that there is actually anything wrong with that. All I have seen is propaganda and rhetoric with pseudoscience thrown in claiming that it does (and they usually cite some references to make their claims look legit, but if you look at the references they did actually not show that at all). -
A whole lot of things are wrong with that. I have done the research but haven't published it.....yet. But is is coming.
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Why not tell us what is actually wrong with the gait changes initiated by impact moderating behavior?
Is your data prospective study that shows they get more injuries?
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Are you a nudist...because if you ever wear clothes then you are introducing "foreign forces into the proprioceptive sensors of the joints thus contaminating proprioceptive data."
How do you cope with all that contaminated proprioceptive data....if you do wear clothes? Must be tough.:rolleyes: -
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Joined Podiatry Arena Feb 2013...CHECK
Total of 4 forum posts...CHECK
No thanks from anyone for any of their 4 contributions....CHECK
Whats not to believe Craig you cynical human being you! ;) -
I guess that's better than what we call a bum bag here in the States....:eek: -
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Aloha,
I do not know what is more interesting in this thread discussing ball sacks or "styrofoam" midsoles in shoes.
What is the modulus of elastisity of of this new foam?
What is the puncture resistance in Newtons?
Does it suffer from material degredation like other foams?
Does it return energy at the right time and place of gait ???
Does it stay in landfills for less than 20,000 years?
How will it react with tuned tracks?
Has it completed any Department of Defense testing yet?
A Hui Hou,
Steve -
Aloha,
If i throw a pair of Boost shoes against the ground will they bounce higher than my home like my pair or Super Ball Shoes from Stride Rite??
http://www.shoebuy.com/stride-rite-superball-lace-iii/231049
Mahalo,
Steve -
For those who are so excited about this they just can't wait, there is a live event launching it at http://new.livestream.com/adidas/energyboost
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Adidas have released a new video on this:
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Minimalist, minimalist, barefoot - that's the key to injury free running.
I can vouch for that: after rupturing my gastroc, last week, evading traffic in Brooklyn ( I believe I was midfoot striking), I got a PACESETTER II, Robocop boot. That monster forces me to heel strike - and then some.
Oh wait...my story is riddled with inconsistency.
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Aloha,
So adidas believe that cellular EVA is going to change footwear forever.
After all that hype all they claim is 3x more temperature resistance than standard EVA foam.
What is the modulus of elastisity of of this new foam?
What is the puncture resistance in Newtons?
Does it suffer from material degredation like other foams?
Does it return energy at the right time and place of gait ???
Does it stay in landfills for less than 20,000 years?
How will it react with tuned tracks?
Has it completed any Department of Defense testing yet?
If i throw a pair of Boosts on the ground will they bounce higher than the superball shoes from Stride Rite?
When will they (shoe companies) learn that the correct timing of energy return is paramount?
The spring orthotic device would not burn during our horizontal and vertical flamibility testing for the US Department of Defense. I do not think that can be said for Boost or EVA...
Please see and understand our posted research results and videos under the MAREN tab at www.kingetics.com.
A Hui Hou,
Steve -
You are so predictable. Every chance you get, you are trying to plug your product, aren't you? Do you realize how annoying your continuous attempts to sell your product are here on Podiatry Arena? It seems not.
Why not give it a rest, Steve? We are all very tired of your continuous salesmanship of your product here on Podiatry Arena.
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Amen Kevin.
Steve is a compare and contrast of a $100+ retail shoe appropriate versus your DOD bid entree that starts at $1200+? Do you really believe your post is even relevant; who is going to buy your boots when they're looking for a running shoe? :confused:
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Mahalo Kevin,
Your concern for me and my reputation is appriciated.
But NO one on podiatry arena has offered any support or offered any scientific reason why these are not the fastest lightest safest shoes ever built.
Please, as a fellow scientist offer us some real feedback on the mechanics of the spring orthotic device and not the cute oblique critiques of my speling errors and sales pitches for better shoe science.
I expected so much more from you and the leaders on this web site.
You are in charge of the teaching of our future podiatrist and we need you to start teaching this in your classes, but this will never happen if you do not read and understand the materials and science we have proposed and patented.
A good Ash Wednesday to you.
Aloha Bra,
Steve
Dr. Steven King
Voting Member American Society of Testing Materials F13 and F13.30 Committees
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Perhaps you do not believe you feet are worth the protection.
I do believe that our soldiers' and workers' feet are worth the expense and effort.
Why else would i keep at this while you make fun of us and our honest effort to protect our loved ones.
Boo on you.
Mahalo,
Steve -
I believe you have things mixed up.
It is not up to me to tell you why your product isn't the "fastest, lightest or the safest". Rather, it is up to you, as a person who has a financial interest in the product, to provide all of us with some peer-reviewed literature which shows that your shoes are "the fastest, lightest or safest shoes ever built". In other words, the burden is on you, not me, to show us the scientific research evidence that supports your rather unbelievable claims about your products.
When you have that research evidence, done by an independent researcher, not sponsored by you or your company, then I, and likely the others here on Podiatry Arena, will take notice.
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Steve,
I don't think that I was being unnecessarily inhospitable towards you, I'm simply questioning your motive for posting a compare and contrast of two very dissimilar products. One is a retail shoe and yours you claim is a DOD bid contract item to reduce punctures and injury, correct?
How many soldiers get shot in the foot? How many soldiers step on an IED or mine and still have a foot to protect? I'm not being cruel, I just do not understand the rationale for your project.
BTW Steve, the day our military begins paying $1200+ for combat boots is the day I will have forever lost all faith in congress.
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Just out of interest does any body else think the sole of these shoes looks like a cutting from a take out coffee cup. I suppose it is one way to recycle all the packaging material that gets thrown away to land fill.
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We realize the burden of proof is ours to bear and it has been a heavy burden when no one will read our research results that we have offered as proof for the validity of our technology. We sent to our government/Dept. of Defense the best science and research that thier $99,999.00 could buy.
As for a peir reviewed article with human subject testing with an attached IRB-- that has yet to be funded. Would you like to help sponsor it? We are going to have a Kickstater crowdfunding fundraiser.
Your burden, if you so wish, is make comment on the new mechanics that has been publised by the US patent office and has been supported by our Amercian Podiatric Medical Society and sponsored by our US Department of Defense.
This device reduces shear and pressure at the metatarsal heads, therefore assisting diabeties ulcer reduction. Which we have mathematically proved in our stated research documents.
Mahalo,
Steve -
Amby Burfoot has a good blog post at Runners World on this shoe from adidas and it history:
http://www.runnersworld.com/running-shoes/brief-history-energy-return-running-shoes
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