I've cracked this off as its own thread.
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On the "why biomechanics is crucial to the profession" thread a few points came up around where new grads or people who have been out of the biomechanics loop can get guidance.
There is no substitute for hands on experience with a willing mentor in my view. Find one. Adhere yourself to them and pester them to educate you.
However, for those who are not so fortunate, or who want more, I posited another idea. Something I've been trying at work is a round robin Email list every week or few, with a biomechanics study topic, case study, literature review and suchlike, with some questions at the end. The idea being that it gives people a structure to their learning and picks up areas they might not otherwise have looked at. They can send their answers back and I might send round my ideas for how I would answer them. The other way, of course, is to put such things on as forum threads, however many people are apprehensive about putting their views "to test" when just starting out. Email is a more comfortable medium for many.
To emphasize, this is not going to be the atom splitting, cutting edge stuff such as we enjoy on the forum. This is designed to be very basic, very informal and pretty straightforward with an emphasis on practical application. This is for the uninitiated.
Just to give a rough idea of what I have in mind, and the level, here is the last one I sent around. There were pictures but I can't get those off my email on my home PC.
And my Answers:-
Couple of people have expressed an interest already (Kerrie and steve90) and Ian has already been kind enough to offer to help (which I would certainly take him up on, thanks mate:drinks).
Is this something anyone else would be interested in? I reckon if half a dozen or so wanted to it would be worth the effort. Anyone else fancy this (or helping me out with it)?
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We could call it the Biomechanics And Scientific Training And Re-education Devotees list. Or maybe the Graduate Educational Elucidation of Kinetics list. (there HAS to be a acronym).
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Hi Robert,
Many thanks,
Perpetually puzzled of Doncaster.;) -
I've said it before and I'll say it again on this thread!
Please please do this, it would be sooooooooo good.
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Hi Robert,
If you want to know about a different approach from the sunny Spain I will glad to help you.
About your case:
For example:
http://www.todoparasuspies.es/isopol.aspx -
count me in, i presume you need my email
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Like it :cool:
Sorry I didnt get a chance to give my tuppence worth on the last round robin....will try harder sir.
Cheers,
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I'm absolutely up for this as well! If only my biomech skills were as good as my 'pestering people about biomech' skills... :D
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Isaacs, you know where I live.
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How gratifying!
I might need a bit of clarification though! This will be really basic stuff so I'm assuming Simon, graham and mr flanagan are offering on the helping out side of things!
Righto.
Anyone offering help with setting cases/ topics email me with the subject "list help".
Anyone wanting to be a part of the list, and to re-re iterate this is going to be reeeeally basic stuff, email with the subject "list member"
My email is rissacs@nhs.net . Note the number of s's please, the person at risaacs Is losing her sense of humour about that.
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Add my name to the list, Robert. You've got my email. As regards Kevin's post about the importance of biomechanics in podiatry - I wrote something similar over 10 years ago. When we get to the point where clinicians can confidentaly prescribe devices that not only improve local symptoms/pathology but prevent dysfunction/deformity arising in the first instance as well as optimising individual foot function, using a comprehensive evidence base, then we truly will see the potential of this profession. What do we need to get to this point? An academic base that is purely clinical in its outlook - having our undergrad program delivered by educators whose remit is governed by those with vested interests - i.e. the NHS - will never achieve the same as those institutions whose outlook is much wider. We could really do with two independent colleges of podiatric medicine and surgery in the UK - with an undergrad profile similar to the US. As long as they're not in the West Midlands!
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What I mean by "purely clinical" is free from external influence. One of the reasons I suspect that biomechanics is not "properly" taught at undergrad level is because the NHS don't see and don't wish to see this aspect of practise included in the curriculum. I remember discussing the value of podiatric biomechanics with a health minister - I think Stephen Ladyman - 10 years ago and his attitude was it was not a politically desirable objective. What benefits there were for patients - at the time we were discussing paediatric lower extremity screening - would not show results (if any) for three or four decades. Well beyond the lifespan of any government. Sad but true - what concerns politicians more is whether or not voters are satisfied with podiatric care -and for most that simply means getting their toenails cut. Everything else is secondary.
I would just like to add here, that for me, Pod Arena is crucial to my practice and to my patients' good foot health. I've learnt more here during the last decade than at any other time in my career and the community and association with other colleagues worldwide is second to none. Long may that continue. :drinks -
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We're singing from the same hymn sheet. I would certainly prefer funding to be free from influence or favour - but try convincing those in the podiatry establishment of the (quite obvious) benefits and you come up against an immovable brick wall! Let me turn the question around - given a blank piece of paper, how would you design an academic program for podiatry in the UK?
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Just building the list. Mark, I need you to email you again cos NHS mail blipped on me a while back and I lost everything. G Flanagan, I never had one for you.
It may warm the cockles of Kevins heart to know that I've had 11 Requests. So far. Today.
Thanks to Mike, Javier, Simon, and Ian also for offering their help! There are people who want education and people who want to educate. Magic!
Lets hope we can keep this accessible and fun!:drinks I'll give it a few days for the list to populate then we'll get the first one out! -
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I'd like to be part of the B.A.S.T.A.R.D group if possible
robinperrie@hotmail.com
Thanks Robert -
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It's all relative. I'll demonstrate that when we eventually meet up! All the best...:empathy:
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Only Joking- for anyone without a sense of humour. -
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No one would harm me unpunished either, Mark. Yet, I feel we really are delving into specialist markets now. I only drink cider in the South West, when I travel North of the border, I like to fit in with locals and drink Buckfast tonic, which strangely is brewed just up the road from me, but is only drunk in Scotchland. Weird.
P.S. if you are as big as you boast, I'd probably have to take muscle relaxants with the cider or just a bottle of Bucky straight
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Buckfast???? Jeez man, remind me never to entwine tongues - you sound more like my first wife every day! I suppose you could always slip into a batman leotard, but I'll leave that particular perversion to Robeer - it's his specialism..... so I'm reliably informed.
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Nae lad. You'd have to try much harder than that!
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Fabulous place - and a decent pint after a wee trip over Haystacks! One on me, chap....
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Thank you Robert. I am a student and think your advice and idea is great and will be watching closely. Bit hard to contribute at the moment due to heavy study load.
Thank you for your care, time and education.
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I have been doing biomechanics for some years now, but I must confess, even hough I do read a fair bit and do updates, I have never really had the advantage of a mentor, and having seen your articles in the Podiatry Now, I realised that I have a lot of gaps in my knowledge of biomechanics, so I would be interested in your e-mail tutorials. -
We're up to 18 on the list now, and 4 or 5 "mentors". I'm amazed at the level of interest! Well done everyone :drinks. -
Hello Robert. Do I need to shoot you an email to be on the list... or is my last reply enough?
I am hoping I am included in the last count?
Cheers
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Dunno, I lost count of the list around the mid 30's!!
I've just set the first one so if there is no BASTARD email in you inbox I don't have you yet.
Anyone wishing to go on the list please email me on rissacs@nhs.net and I'll put you on as soon as I can. -
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