Examining injury risk and pain perception in runners using minimalist footwear
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Michael Ryan, Maha Elashi, Richard Newsham-West, Jack Taunton
Br J Sports Med; Published Online First 19 December 2013
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Here is my spin on this study:
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This proves that 10 weeks is not enough time to transition to minimalist shoes. 12 month follow up would be interesting but the question always arises, why change to minimalist as there Is no proven benefit even in the long term.
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The fan boys have not had a good 2013. I recall posting something here late last year (2012), that I sense a disturbance in the force. All the research has shown no benefits. Both SoS and LT have reported a decline in sales of minimalist shoes dropping every month in 2013, now down to < or ~ 4% of the market. More people are searching Google for the maximalist Hoka One One's than for Vibram Five Fingers (see this).
Runners have voted with their feet and the fan boys who so firmly hung their hats on the minimalist fad now have egg on their faces. -
Kevin, Craig, and fan boys,
Are you really interested to know if minimalism is better on the long term or not really?
Do you have just one single piece of evidence that the big bulky shoes that 90% of runners are wearing (recommended by retailer, companies, podiatrist, physios and physicians… and probably you) are better than just nothing or Walmart 20$ shoes?
For deeper analyses of the study that you maybe kevin didn't read, see http://www.therunningclinic.ca/blog...trial-minimalist-vs-maximalist-running-shoes/ (including comment of the main author) or http://runblogger.com/2013/12/do-minimalist-shoes-increase-injury-risk-merry-christmas-vibram.html -
Where have any if us ever made unsubstantiated claims for "big bulky shoes"? I have never made any claims for those. The only unsubstantiated claims are being made by those promoting minimalism.
Care to show us where all the evidence that the fan boys keep telling us there is for minimalist shoes? The claims that have been made are not being supported by the evidence --> egg on face and high embarrassment for those who have so firmly hung their hat on the minimalist fad. I never hung my hat on the "big bulky shoes". (I do some of my running in minimalist shoes!)
The minimalist fad is over. Runners have voted with there feet. Minimalist shoe sales have dropped continuously in 2013; while "motion control" and "cushioning" shoe sales have increased.
Almost all the research in 2013 has shown that there are NO GENERIC advantages of minimalism over "big bulky shoes" in terms of running economy, injury rates and biomechanical loads, so what is the point of transitioning to them when there is an increased injury risk during the transition. The evidence now supports that there is no generic long term benefit from doing so, so why bother? -
Craig, I can feel you bias (strongly), and your lack of rigor when you say :
- The minimalist fad is over
- The only unsubstantiated claims are being made by those promoting minimalism
- Runners have voted with there feet (come back one earth Craig, runners buy what retailers -bias by companies- are recommending… )…
- Almost all the research in 2013 has shown that there are NO GENERIC advantages of minimalism over "big bulky shoes" in terms of running economy, injury rates and biomechanical loads, (What? Are we calling this cherry picking?)
I'm interested to know
- how much volume (% and km) are you doing in your minimalist shoe (because you say :"I do some of my running in minimalist shoes!")
- how much % of your patients you recommend BBS vs minimalist shoe.
Also
- I'm use to run in minimalist shoe. Must I start to wear BBS?
- My kids have 16, 7, 5 and 1 yo… what type of shoes must I buy for them.
- My brother (200pounds, flat feet, never runs) want to start running what type of shoes must I recommend to him?
It's late in Canada. Going to bed. Hope you will answer to my questions and not doing politics agains with your fan boys :) -
Look at a recent issue of Runners World magazine. The only shoe manufacturers that make injury claims are the minimalist manufacturers. There are no injury claims being made in the adverts for 'big bulky shoes' ... yet you keep demanding evidence for big bulky shoes, when they make no such claims (and neither am I). Are you not showing your bias by not demanding evidence for the minimalist shoes claims?
I recall reading a comment from a prominent USA running specialty retailer (I think it was in Running Insight) that what is happening is that runners who bought into the minimalist fad are not buying a second pair of minimalist shoes, but are returning to what they were familiar with. The retailers were recommending them and devoting space to them are now reducing the stock and space as it the runners who are deciding, despite the advice they got from the retailer. So they tried it and obviously did not like it. That is not due to any bias from me. That is the runners voting with their feet.
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Blaise, you really are getting desperate now. The story that you have been spinning for so long now is unraveling and loosing support.
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not really… it's exactly what I say since 10 years : your feet become so weak with your BBS that you cannot switch to less shoes (the Free) in a short period. ;)
What doesn't fit in my model is their result about the 5F : Recreational runners used to wearing traditional shoes and who were assigned a full minimalist shoe (5-Fingers, 10 minutes more per week during 12 weeks) did NOT show a significantly higher risk of injury… That's the best evidence actually (RCT of Ryan et al.)… over all the anecdotes from Podiatry arena and the other case serie studies (2013-Cauthon, 2013-Ridge, 2012-Salzler, 2011-Giuliani)
Hummm maybe less is better… maybe I need to change my opinion about risk of switching… :rolleyes: -
Craig,
You say " I advise them to stay in what they are comfortable " …
I agree… but it's not enough. The reality for more than 80% of runners is that the market don't offer to runners the choice of minimalist shoe (retailers shoe 3 pair of BBS to test it and let the patient taking the one he feel the better… 80 to 95% of the shoe in their shop are BBS… ). If the client ask for a minimalist shoe, he will be discourage to buy it (because it's dangerous and not protective like the "normal" BBS … it's like that in Canada, in US, in Europe everywhere and in Australia!!!)
So you have the choice to let the patient be oriented by the retailer/publicity/companies/trend… or to educate him about a little more that just the comfort (same thing when some one want a 5F because it's cool)
You say "NO GENERIC advantages of minimalism over "big bulky shoes" in terms of running economy" … my god! Are you joking? I cannot argue against this… ALL papers (14) show that less weight in the shoes -more minimal shoes- are decreasing O2 consumption. One little paper show that a little of cushioning (in a minimalist shoe) is a little better than barefoot (for 8/12 cases).
I'm always waiting one single peace of evidence from your fan boys club telling me to recommend a BBS for beginners and children. -
This is how much I think about what Blaise Dubois is preaching now...
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Aloha Blaze
Welcome to the Kevin Kirby Ignor list!
You should buy your children the shoes that are best for the job and their protection.
If they will be running on glass or broken uneven terrain with the possibilty of puncture wounds i would recomend the new advanced composite spring lever maximalist footwear systems as sold by Kingetics here on Podiatry Arena.
If you need footwear that has superior fire and flame resistance i would recomend the same system.
Both of these orthotic attributes have proven scientific results as reported in the final report for SBIR A11-109 "Advanced Composite Insoles for the Reduction of Stress Fractures." US Department of Defense and Army Medical Research and Materials Command.
A Hui Hou,
Steve
Co-Principal Investigator SBIR A11-109 US DoD
Maximalist Composite Spring Lever Runner
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