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A tackle ban in junior rugby? seriously?

Discussion in 'Break Room' started by Craig Payne, Jul 14, 2016.

  1. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator


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    Given my 9 yr old daughter is playing full contact rugby in a boys team, I have no concerns:

    Injury risk and a tackle ban in youth Rugby Union: reviewing the evidence and searching for targeted, effective interventions. A critical review
    Ross Tucker, Martin Raftery, Evert Verhagen
    Br J Sports Med doi:10.1136/bjsports-2016-096322
  2. Peter

    Peter Well-Known Member

    I've no worthy knowledge of the sport, but my lad started playing last season in the local under 9s. Coincidentally, last season was the start of tackling and what amazed me was the number of 'high' tackles some of the opposing kids were inflicting on his team!
    If tackling is taught poorly from the start, then the coaching needs to be examined.
  3. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

    ...and today she gets player of the day for her tackling!!!

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  4. markjohconley

    markjohconley Well-Known Member

    Any HEAD high tackles should result in a yellow.
    Having nursed quadraplegic ex-rugby and ex-league players, scrum collapse and bad technique tackling were the two main culprits. The change in scrummaging rules some 20 years ago certainly has lessened the chances but being an ex-hooker (the middle of the scrum) in both union and league i never let my boys play either sport. Now the data on soccer brain injuries have emerged my sons are not letting their kids play soccer either. Don't even menton Aussie rules ........

    Note: diving into creeks, pools then beaches by young men / boys was easily the most common cause of cervical spinal lesions.
  5. daisyboi

    daisyboi Active Member

    That's interesting Mark but differs significantly from my experience. I first played rugby at age 7 and am now 46 and coaching junior rugby. In all that time I have seen a number of pretty nasty injuries - but not one of them in the scrum. In my experience the worst injuries are in full flight open play with players being clothes-lined or dump-tackled. As I prop I have had my share of stiff necks but never seen or had an injury related to scrummaging. Just my experience of course.
  6. NewsBot

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    Press Release:
    Experts call for a ban on children rugby tackling
    Published on: 13 July 2017
    In light of the Lions' recent rugby success, Newcastle University experts warn steps need to be taken to ensure children’s safety when they play the sport.

    We need to act now to protect our children from injuries from collision sports. Our evidence shows the high injury rate in rugby for children across all age groups.
    Professor Allyson Pollock

    The call comes as their research reveals that serious injuries – including concussion – are most likely to be caused by rugby tackling and should be removed from school sport.

    They are now calling on governments to protect children under the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child by removing this avoidable harm.

    The study, published today in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, re-examined a large body of existing evidence on the rates and risks of injuries in sport. It came in response to an earlier article in the same journal by World Rugby employee Ross Tucker and colleagues which had put forward the case that rugby was no more injury prone than other sports.

    In the new updated review, the Newcastle University study has found further evidence to support the recent call to remove tackling and other forms of harmful contact from school rugby.

    Lead author Professor Allyson Pollock, Director of the Institute of Health and Society at Newcastle University said: "We need to act now to protect our children from injuries from collision sports. Our evidence shows the high injury rate in rugby for children across all age groups.

    “There is also a consensus that collision sports including rugby have higher rates of injury than non-collision contact sports such as football. Rugby has the highest rate of concussion out of any youth sport.

    “We know other countries are taking this issue seriously and leading the way. Rule changes have been introduced in youth ice-hockey in Canada as this is the only proven method of quickly reducing the high rates of injury."

    Injury risks
    The paper reports how concussion can lead to long-term harm including a recent study which found girls were three or four times more likely to be affected by symptoms for 28 days than boys. This is a particular concern given the increasing number of female rugby players.

    The authors highlight that concussion, and head injury more generally, has also been found to be associated with an increased risk of dementia and Alzheimer’s disease.

    The paper also re-examined claims that previous studies had inflated the risk of injury or that removing the tackle from school rugby might lead to an increase in injury rates at later ages, but found no evidence to support these theories. Contrary to this, the researchers found strong evidence from Canada that removing the "body check" from youth ice-hockey, where a player deliberately makes contact with an opposing player to separate them from the ice-puck, has led to a 67% reduction in concussion risk.

    Co-author Graham Kirkwood of Newcastle University said: "Under the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, governments have a duty to protect children from the risks of injury.

    “We are proposing a compromise approach where children as a definable vulnerable group of athletes with unique risks require specific measures as a way of lessening the risk of injury.

    “School rugby provides an ideal modifiable environment to implement the safety measure of removing the tackle."

    The experts’ concerns have been raised as Rugby Football Union is running a programme of introducing the sport to a million children in state schools across England, which is due to finish in 2019.

    Professor Pollock added: “All the evidence available on rugby injuries shows there is a high risk of injury and that the tackle is where most of these injuries occur. Chief Medical Officers need to make ministers aware of this evidence and World Rugby and ministers should immediately take a cautionary approach to protect children from avoidable harms by removing the tackle from school rugby.”
  7. markjohconley

    markjohconley Well-Known Member

    goodaye daisyboi, just read your post, a tad late.
    I worked in a large rehab centre (~300 out-patients daily) in Sydney back in the 70's and we had several through the service. Diving accidents were by far the major cause then rugby, rugby league, driving, .....
    Scrum incidents (hookers then props) accounted for all but two (backs tackling technique). That's when i stopped playing.
    League scrums are non-existent now and the rule changes in rugby obviously have helped
    all the best, mark
  8. larry344

    larry344 Welcome New Poster

    Rugby is an endurance sport and includes a lot of traumatic clashes which can be fatal. My thought is , the sport shouldn't be encouraged in the early developmental stage of the kids.

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