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A group of experts at La Trobe Uni were on a science TV show last night.
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3583630.htm
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Footfall-patterns in running are a result of what type of shoes you are wearing. Elevated heels and soft soles lead to heel-striking, lower cadence and prolonged stance time. As a shoe- fitter I see this every day. Based on the fact that man has been running barefoot or in minimal shoes for "millions of years" , heel-striking at speeds above 4 mph should be referred to as common. Calling it natural is nonsense !
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The Fallacy of "Natural" -
I will reply with a question; Could you please elaborate on the benefits of:
1. Heel-striking.
2. Prolonged ground-contact.
3. Lowered cadence. -
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5, 9, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 23. The heel-strikers seem to gather at the back of the pack..
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And even if they were not "elite", can you explain why they are even heel striking in minimalist shoes and running as fast as what they are?
Can you answer the above questions? -
Sorry, I can't. I'm busy wondering how fast they could have run with a more efficient foot-strike.
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Just for you, Bare Foot Bear...I think you could be a charter member of this club...
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Sorry guys, for being so ignorant and provoking. I' ll put on a pair of stability-shoes to take "care" of the overpronation that appears when heel-striking in front of my GCM at 160 cadence (at this point I will also be trying to ignore the pain caused by the shear-forces grinding away at what is left my medial meniscii) Then I'll push off to regain my speed, while trying to ignore the message from my quads: hey, you're late. We should have recoiled off the ground milliseconds ago !
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May I pose a question please?
When man was first created was there tramac or concrete roads?
Were their concrete pavements?
Was there broken glass on the road/pavements?
Were there cars or lorries or cyclists dropping litter both hard and soft?
Were there shoes?
Were there trainers?
Hmmm
As Homo Sapiens (Thinking man) evolved he/she CREATED items to help them do their jobs to make them more successful/faster/safer.
Why re-invent a wheel when it isn't broken and porbably cause physical problems in doing so?
I don't get the thinking or the action behind it all - maybe I'll just stay a homo sapien and let others return to neanderthal state.
Nick -
Whoops I missed out dog poo and vomit on the streets too :)
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I think many of your have had a positive personal experiences from running in maximalist shoes but then make the fatal assumption that what worked for you so well will also work for everyone equally as well. The good news is that you will soon all fade away as the evidence continues to prove you wrong and you will find some other fanatical cause to champion on the internet... like promotion of orthotics. -
Since you don't seem to want to accept any of the evidence for the clinical efficacy of foot orthoses, then it really isn't worth my time to have any discussion with you on this matter. In fact, I am getting somewhat bored and tired of your one-sided arguments that don't objectively view the data and seem to only be directed toward promoting "minimalist shoes" (whatever they really are).
Good luck with your money-making lectures where you "prove" that minimal shoes are always better for running than the "big-bulky shoes" you like to talk about. As for me, I am through discussing these things with you since life is too short for me to spend my time trying to move a stationary object with roots firmly planted in the ground.
I'm sure that you will find plenty of people to pay you to listen to you speak. However, I doubt that many with a good knowledge of foot and lower extremity biomechanics would ever waste their money on such a foolish expenditure. -
The problem is that you were never able to convince me that we need big bulky shoes... by the evidence AND also by clinical experience.
The minimalist trend you call a fad is growing so fast and have so much scientific supporters that if you want to meet people thinking is not a good thing you need to go on Podiatry Arena.
And before you critics my course, come in to know what is it... you make a judgment and you have no idea the content... like when every body critics the article I was co-author just by reading the abstract... Are you often do that? Maybe it's the reason why you do so much statement that have no sense...
Juste for you... tell me if you see something on that stats... like a tendency :
RetailTRAK™ June 2012 - Running Specialty Retail Sales
RUNNING RETAIL MARKET OVERVIEW: June 2012
Dollar Sales
All Footwear: +11%
All Road Running Shoes: +15% ($50M)
Motion Control: +1%
Stability: +12%
Neutral/Cushion: +21%
Trail Running Shoes: +8%
Minimalist shoes: +41% ($31M)
Minimalist shoes outpaced traditional models at retail for yet again. All minimalist running shoes pulled in $6M, up 41% from June 2011. So far this year, minimalist accounted for $31M in dollar sales. -
Check out the thread in the break room on the rejection of science.
Eric -
Blaise those figures are most likely based on a new product entering the market and the associated marketing dollars spent increasing year on year and people do like to try new things on the market.
The same figures can most likely be found during the up take of the rocker sole fade, maybe even greater figures of increase and we know the results of that, a real win for the legal companies.
Remember the "powerband" fade, that was a ripper too, until Fair trading (if l remember right) ordered a full refund for all suckers, sorry purchasers.
Prior to that it l am sure it had a huge increase in sales after a TV show promoted it, but the product didnt work.
Lets see those figures again in 12 months time and see if they have maintained that growth, l doubt it. -
Gosh I'll bet Asics are absolutely quaking in their non barefoot shoes!
While I think of it I didn't see one person running barefoot (like Zola Budd) or wearing minimalist shoes in the Olympics or ParaOlympics.
Did you?
Guess they must just be the un inititiated like their coaches and their sports scientists and their physios.
Et al.
Nick -
Actually looking at these figures, l am glad l am not involved, l couldnt take the pay cut:wacko:
"..All Road Running Shoes: +15% ($50M)..
, minimalist accounted for $31M in dollar sales" -
We cannot compared the rocker fad to the minimalist trend
It's not just a TV show or a book!... It's a scientific recommendation tendency!!!
I hear 2 years ago that it was just a fad
The reality of biggest companies have still change for ALL their shoe!!! (less weight, more flex, less drop, less motion control model, ... ... just the price increase ;)
BBS was a fad... a long one but a fad -
100% of the runners running 800m to marathon was wearing minimalist shoes! -
Gosh. So they run on tracks (nice and bouncy compared to tarmac and concrete)!
Enough now as you obviously have your opinions and I and obviously lots of others on here have their opinion. I work on the principle of having seen various runners who have wrecked themselves and caused fractures and other injuries wearing these shoes. I guess if Kevin and Craig agree - and they are far more experienced and knowing about MSK than I - I'll go with my own feelings and experiences and their own formidable research.
Thank you and good night.
Nick -
Personally l dont have issue with any shoe, be it Rocker, minimalist or even high heels, as long as as it is fitted to the right person for the right application.
In-fact, different heel pitch and function from shoe to shoe is a great thing in my book, pathology allowing.
All l was saying, it was a bad move using marketing figures to back a scientific debate.
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30 mill does not impress me much Biase.. you know the company you attack all the time.. ASICS I think they are called.. they sell 55,000 pairss of shoes every day 365 days a year and they have been doing that on average for 16 years whilst showing double digit growth. Must be doing something the consumer likes I guess! -
if you don't know the difference between a minimalist and a maximalist shoes go argument on another blog. If you need help we can ask to kevin and his friend what type of shoes the runners was wearing at the olympic... more minimalist or more maximalist? -
If you need help http://www.therunningclinic.ca/medias/pdf/5390-cdc-affiche-organigramme-.pdf -
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