I really want to go in to Podiatry but not sure whether to do the FHP or Uni Podiatry course.
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The thing is, I only have business related qualifications and none to do with science so I cant really do the Undergraduate Podiatrty course.
Maybe I could possibly do the FHP course first then go to University afterwards. But could I get into university with a FHP Diploma?
Giovanna
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My advice would be to consider what options the two qualifications give you.
With the BSc you can work for the NHS, carry out minor surgery, do biomechanics, dermatology, paediatrics, work in specialist woundcare along side consultants and other specialists and maybe one day upgrade your qualification to full on podiatric surgeon. Or even just work in private practice with "Podiatrist" above your door.
With an Foot health proffessional qualification you can... well you can cut peoples toenails and remove the occasional corn or bit of hard skin. Beleive me that gets really old really fast! A few years of that you'll be ready to fall on your own clippers. You will also have to explain to people that although you are doing Chiropody you are not allowed to call yourself a chiropodist.
Many universities are willing to be flexible in terms of entrance requirements and most offer foundation courses. My advice would be to get the bit of paper you need FIRST rather than work your way through both! IT might also be worth mailing a few universities to see if they would take you with a FHP diploma. MY suspicion is that the answer will be no!
For me the choice is to become either a well respected and recognized member of the clinical team with endless options for proffessional advancement or a fringe practitioner operating at the same sort of level as a beautician but at the less appealing end.
Regards
Robert -
Well iv decided to do an access course to get into Uni in 08 to do Podiatry
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Correct choice. You won't regret it.
Good luck
Robert -
By all means I am sure you will do well by going for the degree option, but please do not go away with the jaundiced ignorant view of what FHP's can really do. I have 20 years professional practice in the NHS and private sector (anaesthetics), and one important lesson I am sure you will not overlook is please do not undervalue or run down another profession just because you have more or less certificates etc. than someone else. It's bad business and unprofessional.
I have no doubt a lot of ranting will ensue but frankly......... -
Im not being funny but all FHP's are trained to do is clean peoples feet.
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I will send you an email regarding the true situation.
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Ah yes, the TRUE situation. DO share it with the rest of us. Please. You know you want to, otherwise you would have just sent the e mail and not told us you were doing it! Or is it a secret.
Mind you i agree that to say that FHP's just clean feet is untrue, misleading and derogatory.
By the by unitas do i read your post correctly that you are an anaesthetist?Whats a nice consultant like you doing in a forum like this? -
It is obvious you have already made up your mind as regards FHP's by your comments above, and I do not intend to waste my time trying to alter your fixed predjudiced views. I would bring to your attention the forum rules regarding not deliberately starting arguments, and innapropriate behaviour.
I have no intention of getting into an argument, so dont bother with the 'squaring up' .
I stand by my comment that to deride another individual in such a way is bad business and unprofessional. This in my opinion is why the NHS is in such dire straits, and does not need any further perpetration by otherwise supposedly educated individuals... -
Oh and i love the "squaring up" image! Made me laugh. I think you may be projecting your reaction to my post onto me. I'm just looking for a discussion. (discussion forum you see).
If you don't want to discuss the issue then by all means don't bother, but whats the point of going on a discussion forum just to say "i don't agree but i'm not going to discuss it because its an argument and i'm not going to waste my time trying to change your view?" :confused: Would you only get into a thread if everybody agreed with you? Don't see the point!
Kind regards
Robert
"supposedly educated" :D :pLast edited: Aug 16, 2007 -
Its a funny thing. I was just browsing this old chestnut
http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showthread.php?t=3899&page=1&pp=30&highlight=fhp's
And it struck me how similar they were. In both threads a perceived critism was leveled at FHPs and somebody went straight off on a "i'm not even going to get into this debate" type mood. Why is it that people are so hair trigger on this issue and why is it that instead of explaining why they disagree with a view, specifically and calmly, they get all fired up. Can't we talk about this without it turning nasty and degenerating?
most unfortunate.
Robert -
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Be nice. His background does'nt mean he does'nt have some good points to make. Assuming he's willing to actually justify what he has said. -
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:D cheer up everybody
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C'mon Andy, lets not make this personal. Thats why people keep running away from this debate, which is a valid and important one. I'm interested in his view, with which i disagree, and i want to understand why he has it, in case he has a point. This is currently tricky because he is feeling so defensive and won't come play in the road. As irritating as you might find him do him the courtesy of slamming what he says not what he is. T'aint polite.
Don't worry Giovanni. You hang with this forum a while and you find most of us can have a good old ding dong and stay friends. It's all for fun.
Robert -
ok, my first post was a little cheeky but i had mean't the second to be referring to a situation not an individual, having reread it i can see it was badly worded. the "....just because you have a qualification in another disipline you can fast track to my disipline." should have read "....just because someone has a qualification in another disipline they can fast track to my disipline.".
i apologise if i have caused offence but with this clarification in mind i do stand by my point. -
Surely in the UK we can all fast-track into various professons if we really want to?
Medicine - I ( and Bill Liggins) know of one pod who fast-tracked onto a Medicine Course because of his/her degree and surgical training.
Law - obtain a 2.1 degree and you can fast-track onto a law degree.
Etc, etc.
I know some FHPs and I know their work.
The FHPs I refer to do a good job within their limitations.
To balance things I suppose I should add that I know of one or two Pods (both PP and NHS) who should not be in our line of work. -
Dear Robert;
Sorry I irritate you so, but I did read this little gem you wrote a while back:
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"Must be CX1 poisoning. Or possibly we're P****d off with the steady stream of hatchet jobs we have to fix coming from people who claim to be as well qualified as us following 2 weeks worth of practical training. Just a thought."
Respectfully
Robert
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Who was it perpetrating the "hatchet jobs" you speak of? Did patients come complaining of poor treatment? did you find out who the perpetrators were? How many times did this happen? was it the same person?
Correct my lack of knowledge by all means, but if an individual or group is causing harm to a patient/member of the public, then more organised investigation would be appropriate to prevent further occurence by agreed methods from your governing bodies. Surely it would be remiss NOT to research and action this.....?
Dont have time for a great dissertation on the whole reasons as to why the NHS is in such dire straits, but I made my comment from first hand knowledge of good clinical management leaving meetings in tears, and then long term sickness as a result after derisive offences by chair bound shiny suits and finance managers. Also senior experienced theatre staff being forced to re-apply for their own posts, and then either being downgraded or made redundant to the dire cost of the department in terms of skillmix and experience.Last edited: Aug 17, 2007 -
Anyone else for Popcorn?
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My parent isnt very supportive of me going into Podiatry and prefers me to just get a general admin job full time.
Is Uni really that expensive? I heard that the NHS will pay for tuition fees. A part from the cost of accommodation, is their other costs that I should know about? -
Glad you came back. You don't irritate me with anything you do say, its when you give a view and won't discuss it i become vexed. Discussion is good for the soul and venting prevents peptic ulcers. It's good for you. Prevents night blindness. Glad you have enjoyed my previous posts.
Whilst i don't wish to suggest that there has never been a good smae my experiance of them has been universally bad. My concluesion is that two weeks (80 odd hours?) of clinical training is nowhere close to sufficient. (I'm assuming thats what it is cos that question keeps being ignored) I tend to find that most new grads need a lot of bringing up to speed and thats after 1000 hours. If i had my wish they would all have to do at least a year in the NHS with access to more experianced staff and mentoring before being cut loose on their own.
I just can't see how two weeks of training (or whatever it is) before being released to work, Generally without the benifit of clinical mentoring is enough and it seems an obvious correlation with my experiances of the quality of their work.
Of course that would'nt work if a group of practitioners gave a different name to the same job they had always done and carried on.
Unregistered means unregulated. Thats another reason i'm not a fan of FHPs.
Glad to have you here Unitas. Count backwards from ten then tell me what you think.
Regards
Robert -
Like you I had no science background, but did the podiatry access course at Durham which gained automatic entry to the degree course.
I firmly believe that Podiatry has enough avenues and branches to support your career choices, whether you want to specialise or stay in general practice - you will find you're particularly interested in one area and it will flow. I also believe that despite the current undervalued status of podiatry, there are ways to build a career if you are focused, determined and professional. Go for it and enjoy every minute!! -
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Hi Robert and Andy et al
Just been reading this thread and to coin a phrase " I have had all I can stand coz I cant stands nomore"
I have been in health care for over 40 years and I don't hide behind the NHS political administrative protection of protocols ,meetings , and the rest of the bloody rubbish that you do.
I have seen both sides of the fence as in a former life I worked for GLC & NHS in hands on health care so I understand where you are coming from BUT:-
I will openly challenge my clinical skills to yours any time and frankly I am sickened by both your generalisations with regard to IPP Pods.
I cannot comment on FHP's as I am not aware of the current details of the courses.
I suppose in your cocoon of the NHS it would never have crossed your mind that we need your help in referring high risk patient and conversely could you cope with the influx of pts if we all stopped treating ( you cant now)
I can relate to that as I spent many hours in theatre in my former life and still have consultants (friends) that I treat who tell me the same story :(
We as pods have to work together albeit NHS or IPP.
As an IPP myself ,I want to expand my knowledge and would like to go to my local hospital diabetic clinics and vascular clinics to talk to the likes of YOU :eek:
Coz I want to know what YOU want from me so I can work with you jointly for the benefit of the patient.
I have done this on FDUK and got a good response from those interested.
Instead of you both slagging people off, try organising some CPD in your departments for us "lesser mortals" we just need to know :rolleyes:
Cheers
Derek
ps try going to www.iespell.com :)Last edited: Sep 2, 2007 -
Derek
Calm down brother, you'll give yourself a peptic!
I may be being oversensitive but i seemed to detect a degree of anger in your post. A certain amount of vexation. I could be wrong.
So far as CPD is concerned i'm not sure it's the job of the NHS to offer free training to other groups (although i've never denyed anyone who asked to shadow me and i never would). Perhaps the training you speak of should have been included in the original syllabus.
I hope you have mellowed a bit by your next post. The internet might run out of :mad: smilies. Its all love.
;)
Respectfully
RobertLast edited: Sep 3, 2007 -
Re: I'm not sure what to do
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Re: I'm not sure what to do
Hi Robert , Andy et al
Robert
Conversely with the same situation from the private sector the pt either returns to the practitioner (coz they have paid for it) or the GP becomes involved and they finish up with yourselves on either side as davidh said there are good and bad on both sides.
My point is why do you keep carping on about bad practice from other pods who are smae trained??
Andy
But perhaps you can tell us where in your remit / job description its says you are responsible for the patients finances ??
Cheers
Derek ;) -
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Hi Andy
I have had many conversations ( yes and been seen out) with several SCP pods who have asked the very same questions that come up over and over again.
Once they found out I don't drink blood or eat babies they found most of what they (thought) they knew was based on folklore and fiction.
So Andy I am not going to open up the "them and us" thing it has been done to death I'm fed up with it and I expect so is everyone else.
The response I got from the pods there was positive and constructive and has hopefully started a move toward integration of skills and treatments between the specialist units and IPP's.
Have you thought about in your situation writing to the people you are so concerned about and offering to speak to them or as with Robert letting them shadow you ??
Don't let your concerns be the best kept secret if you don't tell THEM they will never know and this problem will never go away.
Cheers
Derek ;) -
And actually This thread started with "whats the best qualification to do." The only reason i started Carping was because somebody found a quote from another thread and asked me to justify it! I'll stop.
I'm sure you don't really eat babies and drink blood. Thats NHS managers. Its a funny thing, the last time i went there for a meeting the tea tasted funny then the next think i remember was 4 hours later and i was slumped in my car with a painful neck. A subsequent trip to the doctor revealed aneamia.... -
Hi Robert
It occurs when the ill informed start talking rubbish.
Where does the 2 weeks training come into anything ??
20 years ago Diploma was the level required for either side I seem to remember that after completion of the basic 2 part course and passing of the exams we had 100 hours in clinic under supervision. You then had the option to go on to further courses.
Your side I think did 350 hours ACTUAL clinical tuition during the 3 year course.
I never noticed any crutches or walking sticks handed out when I trained or since but yes it has got me there very successfully thank you.
Cheers
Derek ;) -
THe Smae Course as it stands now involves 100 hours "practical" training. The prospectus does not say how long this is in weeks, assuming a standard working week that would make it between 2 and 3 by my reckoning. How long is the 100 hours spread out over?
Of course this is not all patient contact,
The home study element part recommends 12 months to complete at your own pace.
And as you say you have the option to do extra courses for cryo, biomx and the like.
I cannot speak with authority for what "my side" did then but it now involves 1000 hours of time IN CLINIC. Actual patient contact time. Lectures and video presentation type learning separatly on top of that. If you counted lectures, videos and suchlike in the Degree course as "practical training" i suspect you could double the 1000 hours easily. And I still tend to find that following this new graduates are still somewhat dangerous with sharp things!
Is this an accurate reflection? Or am i still ill informed.
Have no fear. My naturally cheery outlook gives me a thick layer of insulation from anger and stress. So far as i know my stomach lining is in fine shape. Besides my benevolant employer on seeing the unhappiness caused by the last round of redundancies and job evaluations acted with their usual acute grasp of the requirements of their employees and sent around a leaflet advising staff on managing stress. So i'm set for a few years.
Regards
Robert -
Robert
Please read the post properly
I take you research as correct because I don't know
The degree is now the required entry level wherever you train so why keep bringing up old predudices (however ill informed) about smae trained pods?
The FHP question will rage on and as was posted earlier with the new teaching establishment springing up who knows where it will lead but the fact is the function is not closed so........
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Robert
Please read the post properly
I take you research as correct because I don't know
The degree is now the required entry level wherever you train so why keep bringing up old prejudices (however ill informed) about smae trained pods?
The FHP question will rage on and as was posted earlier with the new teaching establishment springing up who knows where it will lead but the fact is the function is not closed so........
Cheers
Derek ;) -
Entry level. I guess thats the rub is'nt it. Entry level to what? Certainly to the title of podiatrist and to the nhs, and that is meet and wholesome. The bit which still disturbs me is that people like giovanni can do their 100 hours (minus lectures and videos) of clinical training and then start doing essentially the same job in the private sector. I don't think that is enough training, not by a long chalk. However i think we've established where we stand on this one. I don't think the smae course (alone) is sufficient to train people to practice podiatry by whatever name you call it. You do. Shall we leave it there? Its in danger of getting repetative.
Thanks for the sympathy BTW. I could write a book on the random acts of management i've had to endure over the years. But nobody would beleive it! The leaflet was a goody. We also (the survivors that is) got a certificate for "keeping the show on the road". There was supposed to be a big presentation with the cheif exec and a photographer but nobody would dignify the charade by going. The biggest problem was tearing the certificate into enough bits for all of us to wipe with...
Wanna work in the NHS. Get a sense of humour about it or have a major psychotic episode. :rolleyes:
Regards
Robert -
Hi Robert
Yes then leave it there but I hope your bigoted ill informed remarks on this forum re smae PODS will also cease.
Get over yourself !! I have been here for a long time and I ain't goin nowhere
Keep it up
Cheers fella
Derek ;)
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Oooo i've been promoted from ill informed to ill informed BIGOT. My mum will be so proud. Any other names you want to call me? I took the liberty of putting bigot into a theasaurus for you:-
bug, crank, diehard, doctrinaire, dogmatist, enthusiast, extremist, fanatic, fideist, fiend, flag-waver, freak, jingoist, maniac, monomaniac, mule, no-neck, nut, opinionated person, partisan, persecutor, pig, puritan, racist, red-neck, relisher, sectarian, segregationist, sexist person, stickler, superpatriot, zealot
Would you like to highlight the ones you think apply or shall i assume you think i'm all of them. I had to look a few of them up. Did'nt know what a fideist was. Also i'm not sure that "sexist person" belongs in the list. I'll hold my hands up to enthusiast, opinionated person and, occasionally, nut.
But i've got nothing but love for you and i am certain you will stick around and further enrich the proffession for a good few years yet.
Kindest regards
Robert
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Robert
But please remember one thing for the future :-
And your talking to him :p
Be Lucky
Cheers
Derek;)
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