Hello there! I'm a 3rd Year Pod Med student. My apologies if this post is inappropriate, I know this forum isn't designed to aid students with their homework, but I thought I'd give it a try anyway.
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I was reviewing the biomechanics of the foot, and I came across the statement "When the STJ is maximally supinated, the forefoot is inverted relative to the rearfoot. When the STJ is maximally pronated, the forefoot is everted relative to the rearfoot".
The second half of the statement confuses me - isn't the STJ maximally pronated at the end of contact phase? And at the end of CP, the longitudinal axis of the MTJ is supinated, therefore inverted.
Could someone explain this to me?
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Nester C.J., Findlow A., Bowker P.: Scientific Approach to the Axis of Rotation at the Midtarsal Joint. J Am Podiatr Med Assoc 91(2): 68-73, 2001
The motion of the rearfoot relative to the forefoot is also dependent upon whether these segments are moving in-phase or anti-phase with one another, which varies between individuals.
Chang R, Van Emerick R, Hamill J: Quantifying rearfoot-forefoot coordination in Human Walking. Journal of Biomechanics (41) 3101-3105, 2008
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Meanwhile, I had a new graduate show up at my office with an apparent desire to learn more about biomechanics today... we'll see how keen he really is, if he responds here... he wanted to refer a patient to me, I said he should sit in on my assessment as he would learn more, he said he was really busy.... now, if when I was a few months out of college I'd have received such an offer from an experienced colleague, I'd have moved a patient to make that happen... I guess learning biomechanics doesn't hold the same gravitas as cutting toe-nails and earning money these days. Never mind. -
Whilst chatting to Kevin at the Summer School, he mentioned that he hoped that others would take his work forward after he is gone, as part of his legacy (sorry to talk about you as if you're not in the room, Kevin....does he take sugar?). Think about it. -
I don't think I would have done well as a full time lecturer...I would not have had a lot of patience for fellow faculty members wanting to teach old material that is not current (i.e. longitudinal midtarsal joint axis). Rather, I believe that it has been much better for me to be outside the confines of the podiatric medical school, being independent by having my own private practice, and trying to move our profession forward by doing research, writing and lecturing on my own schedule.
Dr. Spooner has already made an impact on the intellectual growth of our profession. I expect that he will continue to do so for many years to come. :drinks -
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As we were discussing earlier, as a private practitioner in the UK it is virtually impossible to obtain ethical approval and insurance to carry out research if you are not employed by a university. So I guess the attraction of a part time uni post is greater here. -
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BTW, Southampton may not have a rep for teaching state of the art biomechanics, but it was put to us that there is no such thing as a midtarsal joint axis in isolation and that the function of anatomical tissue is where it is at.
Cheers,
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Does that make sense? Ah, just realised I omitted `longitudinal` from my post. Should have read "no such thing as a longitudinal midtarsal joint axis...."
Think I need a holiday. -
Thank you all for your replies!
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Not sure what to say to the above discourse. When I was a PhD student, my first line supervisor (as against the figurehead) used to recon that 5 papers a year in journals such as "The Journal of Anatomy, The American Journal of Physical Anthropology, the Journal of Human Evolution, The Journal of Comparative Human Biology) was about right for one looking for promotion to Senior Lecturer from a routine lecturer (whatever the words are in your country). The truth is that one simply does not get promotion on academic ground to a senior position on less than about 40-50 papers and a grant record. One of my Sons-in-law is currently publishing 10-12 papers a year in serious journals - and also has ARC grants. Perhaps it is time to say less about what is required to achieve university positions, and more time to actually do it. Rob
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I think one of the issues Blinda is pointing out is that anyone sitting outside of the University employee should find it difficult to engage in any research in which ethical approval is required here in the UK. Thus, it is difficult to enter into an academic research post within a University, simply because your publication and clearly your grant winning record will not be up to scratch. Sure you could give up your salary and take a research student position, but not many people can afford the luxury of this. Rather. some people want to carry-out and publish clinical research while maintaining their private practice. In the UK at the moment, this is becoming increasingly less possible. -
I'm with Simon and Bel on this one. The academic side of podiatry should not be so isolated from the clinical world that an academic clinician finds it impossible to carry out research in their respective countries. Certainly there needs to be some leeway allowed in each country to carry out this important and necessary research that we all would benefit from. -
What about NHS podiatrists maybe taking things forward - they have access to grants, related patient caseloads and in some cases have strong University links... It is what the other professions do.
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Unfortunately, the grim reality is that NHS Pods are increasingly getting their nose to the grindstone treating pts, as NHS managers are beating their staff with the AQP stick/re-banding stick/value for money stick, ad nauseum.
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They shouldn't, in fact I would guess the barriers are probably higher in PP.
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Here's another example, from another thread posted here recently. The advert is for a lecturer in podiatry in Australia at place with the same name as a city in the North East of England:
"Selection Criteria
1. Recognised degree in Podiatry
2. Completed PhD in Podiatry or related field
3. Eligibility for registration with the Podiatry Board of Australia
etc, etc."
From their application form: "Your application must include a statement addressing the selection criteria"
And that selection criteria rules you out of the running for starters Kirby, Payne etc... and dare I say the vast majority of lecturers currently working in podiatric education around the world and many other talented individuals who I'm sure should make excellent lecturers.
How many of the lecturers currently working at the podiatry school in question hold a PhD in podiatry or related field? How many PhD qualified podiatrists (you got to be eligible for registration with the Podiatry Board of Australia remember) exist A) in Australia, B) worldwide? :bash: -
Certainly the Head of the school you mention has a PhD; I am not sure about the other staff. I am fairly certain that all the full time staff of the school with which I was last associated have a PhD. I was the first podiatrist in Australia with a PhD; that was 1994. The world has moved on a huge distant since then. In my last full time position (sort-of head of anatomy), the school I was working in had 100% PhD's among its staff; you simply do not get a job in science without one. Whether we like it or like it not, that is the world we live in now. I think you will find that nearly all podiatry teaching staff in Australia either have a PhD or are working towards one; there will be the odd exception though. As to absolute numbers in Australia, I make a gestimate of perhaps 25-30. An ex PhD student of mine (Tony Duffin) is a very successful private practitioner in the northern suburbs of Sydney, and I know of one hospital podiatrist in West Australia with a PhD. Rob
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Here's the staffing at Latrobe- 6 with PhD, 9 without. Personally, I think this is impressive. http://www.latrobe.edu.au/health/about/staff/all?areaofstudy=Podiatry
University of Newcastle only appear to have 4 Podiatry staff, with 1 PhD and the others without.
Here's Queeen Maragaret's University in Edinburgh, they seem to have 3 staff with PhD's and 7 without http://www.qmu.ac.uk/pod/staff.htm
Bob, I think your contention that "you simply do not get a job in science without one (a PhD). is over-stated. -
Perhaps you miss the point - I have two lives - 1) podiatry - and that has been only a tenuous connection for many years, and 2) hard science - comparative anatomy. It is the latter to which I was referring to. I do not regard podiatry, or any other health science, including medicine, as science in this context.
Also, please note, I did say either have one or are working towards one. I think you will find that those none PhD grads are PhD students - with the odd exception. Rob
Its now 12 hours since I wrote the above, but am still able to edit (presumably because it has not been accessed). You make the following comments: "When I got my PhD I was among the first handful of UK podiatrists with this qualification and certainly there are more now. Some are achieved by different routes now, but that's another story. " I assume you are referring to Professional Doctorates, etc.. These are fine for what they are, but not a PhD. Let us be quite clear. I am surprised that you seemed to have doubts about this. These are professional qualifications, perhaps on the same vein as a DPM - a professional, not a research qualification. One of my oldest friends, my Best Man even, has a professional Doctorate, but I am sure he would not regard this as the same as a PhD. Rob -
As Simon clearly states, the PhD degree is nice to have in some cases, but certainly not a requirement to become part of the teaching institution in a podiatric medical college. In fact, it is more common for faculty at the American Podiatric Medical Colleges to not have a PhD.
For example, I have included the full-time and part-time faculty list for the California School of Podiatric Medicine below. You will notice that there are only 2 PhDs out of a total of 12 full time faculty members.
Therefore, we again get to Simon's original point....why restrict podiatric faculty members to having a PhD when, in actuality, by doing so, we are likely preventing some of the best teachers within podiatry from educating our students? -
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You are getting personal Boys - my writings are never personal. Whether like it or like it not, the academic world we live in, at least for those schools of podiatry with the "British model" , hold a PhD as the bench mark. In the 70's and 80's we strived to attain this - and now it seems we are complaining that we have got it. I wrote and presented a conference paper once titled "progress with no change" with a particular slant on this mentality. Simon, you are mixing what the staff are, per se, and what the profression is; you might have a PhD in genetics, but that does not make your podiatry practice hard science IMHO. It does however, make your genetics research and your genetics publications hard science. It is a mistake to get personal - destroys an argument. Rob
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I don't quite see how I was getting personal. Please point out where I was getting personal in this conversation.
I am still interested in furthering this discussion since this subject seems to be quite important to many talented would-be teachers and professors who may or may not have a PhD.
Please answer this question:
Is a PhD required in order to be an effective and valuable teacher of the clinical practice of podiatry for our podiatry students? -
"Is a PhD required in order to be an effective and valuable teacher of the clinical practice of podiatry for our podiatry students?"
I would say no, but that is not the whole job description of a university lecturer. Unless specifically described as such, all university academic staff are required to both teach and research. And therein lies the rub: to research, they (universities) would argue, you do need research training, and the bench mark research training in their eyes is a PhD. I didn't make the rules - I have simply followed them for 30 years.
And of course, totally accepted by all, research informs teaching of students - otherwise they get out of date stuff from out of date staff - which I believe is where this discussion came in. Rob -
When does a science become a "hard" science? -
Perhaps it is the way I write. When I said "you don't get a job in science without a PhD", the school I was in was not podiatry - it was the School of Science, Food and Horticulture at the Uni of Western Sydney; I was "sort-of" head of anatomy - there was no podiatry in this school.
I am making no quality judgements by my contention that podiatry - or any other branch of medicine is not a hard science, but I stand by it; music is not hard science - but is good. If you read again my comment to Kevin you will see that I suggested that to teach pod students does not require a PhD, but to be a Lecturer of podiatry (which is not the same thing) is analagous to being a lecturer of anything else - you are required to teach and research - and thus one does need a PhD. Although I have been away from the UK a long time (22 years), I had thought that at one point you had an academic appointment; thus you will have understood the research/teaching balance. All of us that have (had) an academic appointment have this balance, and where we draw the line between the two is up to you and your first line manager: I have really only aimed at 2-3 publications a years, and thus think of myself as a teacher first and foremost; others , like my son-in-law, by way of example, publish 10-14 papers a year, and teach relatively little.
I am failing to understand the fuss; are we an academic profession or not? At the end of the day, there is a line in chalk in the school playground - the small boys patch, or the big boys patch: which side do you wish to play?
It may help to explain that, when I was Head of school of Pod in 1995-2000, we had a 4 year course with an imbedded honours programme. I made huge efforts to ensure that the kids that did not do honours were not made to feel inferior. I insisted that we had two streams - an academic speciality stream, and a clinical experts stream. The point being that to be a clinical expert was just as important, but different. (in Ozz, the norm is NOT a 3 year hons program)
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By using your analagy, since I don't have a PhD, I should be playing in the small boys patch? Is that what you are intimating? So you are now saying that if a profession such as podiatry wants to be academic then it must have PhDs teaching the students since the PhDs are the big boys and all the rest of us non-PhDs are the small boys? -
I am simply saying whether we like or like it not - and I do not make the rules - those schools that have the "British Model" (UK, NZ, S. Africa, Australia) are all in universities where the gold standard bench mark is a PhD. If you applied for a position in science at any of those institutions, without a PhD it would not get looked at. And, while ten years ago, or perhaps even 5 years ago (and I speak for Australia here), an appointment might have been made in podiatry (or OT, or Physio etc) without a PhD as long as there was a promise of one in the near futre - ie near completion. Now, as Simon pointed out for the Newcastle advert, a PhD was an essential criteria. These are simple facts; whether right or wrong is not the point: it is. I never men tioned American schools as they do not have what is loosely called "The Brtish Model". And apart from that, I have been to every school in the world that has "The British Model": I have only been to one US school
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I fully realize what the models are for podiatry schools in the UK, Australia and the States. However, Rob, I asked what you meant by the statement: "At the end of the day, there is a line in chalk in the school playground - the small boys patch, or the big boys patch: which side do you wish to play?" Sounds to me like you are saying that the "big boys" are the men (and women) who have PhDs and the "small boys" are the men (and women) who don't have PhDs, which, to me, sounds rather degrading to those of us who do not have PhDs.
Never mind. I guess I will continue just being one of the "small boys" who sees no "line of chalk in the school playground", but rather decides who to play with by the intelligence, knowledge and motivation of the individual, rather than by what letters they have following their names. I just wish those people who determine who will be educating our students could show a little more reasonableness with the minimum degrees they accept for teaching and research positions so that the best faculty members can be chosen for the job, not just the few who have attained a doctor of philosophy degree. -
Kevin, the analogy to the school playground was nothing to do with you - nor anyone else; my postings are never personal. To put it in context, when I was a pod student in the early 70's, and then a UK teacher of Pod until 1990 (when I left the UK for Ozz), all staff were critical of the fact that the course was in a college of higher education. In its way way a good institution, but not a university. The profession fought, eventually successfully, to have their courses in universities - fine. However that brings new set of paradigms; College of higher ed staff rarely researched or published, now the world has moved on. That is (by my analogy), we have crossed the chalk line in the school playground. But you have to cross with both feet; one cannot argue for a university course, and expect to be different from other university courses. My mentor once said to me that only real definition of education is that process which brings about a permanent change of behaviour - one cannot go back, nor can one look for exceptions - except on a purely temporary basis while staff play "catch up". Rob
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In reply to S. Spooner- my CV, professorship and professional integrity
Dear colleagues,
The following information posted on this site by Simon Spooner was recently brought to my attention,
"Personally, I went from a research assistant to lecturer to senior lecturer to principal lecturer with far fewer publications than that. A quick scan of Prof. Jim Woodburn's CV reveals 12 publications, of which he's first author on six. For the record, I've nothing against Jim, I just picked that as an example."
I've nothing against you either Simon but I'm surprised you didnt take two minutes of your time to verify your information or explain to the readership the difference between first and senior authorship. Not even a quick PubMed search?
My CV is freely available to anyone to review and it shows more that 12 publications. Moreover, the criteria for appointment at professorial level at Glasgow Caledonian University are also freely available. You are at liberty to align CV to appointment criteria and make your own mind up if I make the grade for key indicators such as publications, grants, and other scholarly activity commensurate with the post.
I'd like to make this public that I am referring this post to our professional body for consideration.
Best wishes,
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Re: In reply to S. Spooner- my CV, professorship and professional integrity
http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showpost.php?p=269064&postcount=16
As you can see Rob Kidd had stated that he felt that a senior academic position could not (nor should not) be achieved without a publication record of 40-50 papers. I was merely pointing out that senior academic position can and have been achieved with far fewer papers than this. At the time of writing the original post, I accessed your CV from your staff profile of your current employer, by typing the search terms Prof. Jim Woodburn CV into google: http://www.gcu.ac.uk/hls/staff/profjameswoodburn/ I have accessed it again today 17/10/2012. As you can see, it clearly lists you as holding the position of Professor and lists 12 publications. Which are:
"Publications
Turner DE Davys HJ Woodburn J Foot function following forefoot reconstruction in rheumatoid arthritis. Aus J Pod Med 2005;39:83-9
Helliwell PS Allen N Gilworth G Redmond A Slade A Tennant A Woodburn J Development of a foot impact scale for rheumatoid arthritis Arthritis Rheum 2005;53:418-22
Woodburn J Cornwall MW Soames RW Helliwell PS Selectively attenuating soft-tissues close to sites of inflammation in the peri-talar region of patients with rheumatoid arthritis leads to the development of pes planovalgus J Rheumatol 2005;32:268-74
Davys HJ Turner DE Helliwell PS Conaghan PG Emery P Woodburn J Debridement of plantar callosities in rheumatoid arthritis: a randomized controlled trial Rheumatology (Oxford) 2005 44: 207-210
Woodburn J Nelson KM Lohmann Siegel K Kepple TM Gerber LH Multisegment foot motion during gait: proof of concept in rheumatoid arthritis J Rheumatol 2004;31:1918-27
Goldbach-Mansky RP Woodburn J Yao L Lipsky P Magnetic Resonance Imaging in the evaluation of bone damage in patients with Rheumatoid Arthritis Arthritis Rheum 2003;48:585-9
Waxman R Woodburn H Powell M Woodburn J Blackburn S Helliwell P FOOTSTEP: A randomised controlled trial investigating the clinical and cost-effectiveness of a patient self-management programme for basic foot care in the elderly J Clin Epidemiol 2003;56:1092-9
Woodburn J Helliwell PS Barker S Changes in three-dimensional joint kinematics supports the continuous use of foot orthoses in the management of painful rearfoot deformity in rheumatoid arthritis J Rheumatol 2003;30:2356-64
Turner DE Woodburn J Helliwell PS Cornwall ME Emery P Pes planovalgus in rheumatoid arthritis: a descriptive and analytical study of foot function determined by gait analysis. Musculoskeletal Care 2003;1:21-33
Woodburn J Udupa JK Hirsch BE Wakefield RJ Helliwell PS Reay N O’Connor P Budgen A Emery P The geometrical architecture of the subtalar and midtarsal joints in rheumatoid arthritis based on MR imaging Arthritis Rheum 2002;46:3168-3177
Woodburn J Helliwell PS Barker S Three-dimensional kinematics at the ankle joint complex in rheumatoid arthritis patients with painful valgus deformity of the rearfoot Rheumatology (Oxford) 2002;41:1406-12
Woodburn J Helliwell PS Barker S A randomized controlled trial of foot orthoses in rheumatoid arthritis J Rheumatol 2002;29:1377-83"
This may or may not be out-dated, but I cannot be held responsible for Glasgow Calledonian University keeping it's staff profile pages up to date. Notwithstanding, it clearly shows that at the time this profile was published by your employer, you were a professor with 12 publications listed. Viz. it is possible to achieve a senior academic position with fewer than 40-50 publication- which was the moot point.
Now, I am not saying that you are not academically credible, nor that you do not meet the criteria for a professorial position at your institute. I am not even saying that you have not published further studies since the staff page at Glasgow was published. What and all I was saying is that Rob Kidd's contention that one should not, nor could not expect to achieve as senior academic position without 40-50 publications is plainly erroneous.
I hope this makes my position clear as it was not my intention to cause any offence to you Jim. Quite the contrary. I was defending those who may be in senior academic positions and doing a fantastic job without the 40-50 publication which Rob Kidd suggested were necessary to hold such a position.
Best wishes,
Simon -
Simon, why have you dragged me in to this? My comments in earlier posts re: 40-50 publications were based upon what I had learned from several years of sitting on academic promotions committees; those are the bench marks that I was brought to understand for appointments to the Professoriate (ie senior academic positions). The comment re: 5-6 papers a years was made by my mentor and friend, Professor Paul O'Higgins, Chair of Anatomy, HYMS, when he was applying for SL promotion in Western Australia. What I have said, I stand by as truth as I know it, to anyone. I would suggest, respectively, that if you look around universities generally, senior staff will have publications in this order, and a grant record; if they didn't they would not be there. Rob
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