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Faith based vs science based clinical biomechanical theories

Discussion in 'Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses' started by Craig Payne, Jul 25, 2015.

  1. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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  3. BEN-HUR

    BEN-HUR Well-Known Member

    Good article... articulates the concerns quite well i.e. ...

    Yes... one such thread i.e. New strain of fact-resistant humans (hence related to this topic) was recently banished from this forum.
     
  4. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha,

    Perhaps those with faith have witnessed honest miracles in their lives and practices that cannot and will not be answered with science based clinical biomechanics. The perspective of those with faith thus is changed. A wooden ruler can measure one's sole yet it takes faith to measure one's soul...

    A Hui Hou Do Pono,
    Steve
     
  5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qOvAIZN4uo
     
  6. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha Robert,

    What does believing in God and having faith in God's works have to do with pharmacological agents?

    Does experience change our perception?

    Will perceptions dictate our experiences?

    Mahalo,
    Steve
     
  7. Little off topic perhaps. I actually thought your were being intentionally humorous. But since you ask, I would say that many people speak and act much the same way under the influence of religion as others do under the influence of psychotropic drugs. Members of both groups can see things others cannot see, hear things others cannot hear, claim revelations nobody else understands and sometimes act irrationally based on these things.

    Which Is why I would consider it highly unwise to allow either recreational drugs OR religion to influence ones clinical decision making. Both can be fun toys, which people should play with in private, but not bring to work with them.

    Gosh, this thread has taken a turn for the bizarre!!
     
  8. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha Robert,

    Off Topic?

    The thread title is wagging a finger to those who have faith in God's actions as the Prime Mover.

    To imply that faith in God is a toy and should not be used in our compassionate medical care seams a bit tool-ish.

    Unless you want to be "Robert the Robot".

    A hui hou,
    Steve
     
  9. I think perhaps you are confusing the definitions of the word faith. The first definition returned by google is

    There are many beliefs in biomechanics, held by many people, which answer this definition. A priori assumptions around which they bend their whole concept of foot function, assumptions which are unshakable by argument or evidence to the contrary and therefor qualify as "faith".

    I rather suspect that this is the type of faith which the OP is wagging a finger at, if I know him at all. Correct me if I'm wrong Craig.


    However.


    While I don't believe it was the intention of the thread, I'm quite happy to extend it to the other definition of faith, if that type of faith impacts on clinical reasoning.

    Firstly I said that religion was a toy by the way, not God. God I would consider to be a delusion. Neither are medically helpful. Neither, come to that, have very much to do with compassion. They are toys. And if people want them, they should be allowed to have them, and to play with them. Visit friends who enjoy them and play with them together. But I don't enjoy those toys any longer. I don't wish to play with them, nor to have my children encouraged to play with them, and certainly not to have my medic play with them whilst treating me.

    I personally would not be too pumped about seeing a dr whose faith discouraged or forbad them from giving me a blood transfusion, or a pigs valve in my heart, or who stand against stem cell research because of stuff written in ancient bronze age or roman era scrolls, by people who had never heard of germ theory, inflammatory markers or collagen and interpreted for them by mammals with no more insight into divine will than any others.

    I suspect you feel likewise about religions besides your own. I felt that way, coincidentally, even when I WAS a christian. I'll have the medical care informed by contemporary evidence and best practice please. Religion can stay home.
     
  10. Craig Payne

    Craig Payne Moderator

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    That was my interpretation as to what it meant when starting this thread.
     
  11. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha,

    Mahalo Craig, the terms-words of any conversation and how we define them define the conversation-debate. I appreciate the difficulty it is to title your topics correctly and keep them appealing at the same time.

    Robert, I am happy to inform you that your delusion is real and loves you no matter this worldly delusion...

    Peace,
    Steve
     
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