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I watched the last hour of the test match between India and Australia the other day and it was some of the most exciting cricket that I have seen in a long time. There was some furore yesterday, but I just put it down to the India team being sore losers. There was an item on last nights news about the burning of Ponting's effigy's on the street in India - I thought that this was something of an overreaction.

While searching for some NZ news, I came across this piece:

Arrogant Ponting must be fired and was a bit taken back by some comments in this piece:

!!! It is amazing how the media in Australia vs the media overseas are seeing this issue. Even the BBC are saying:

It enough to make one consider not becoming an Australian citizen.

What say you?

 

Poor cow!

Personally I 'Don't get' cricket, or in fact motor racing. (must be a 'boy thang.')

Now football............. & even better.............. rugger, yum yum

Now that's well worth watching.

It aint rocket science, it's all about thighs

 

Difficult one isn't it?

Over the years the Aussies have produced some of the best cricketing teams ever, and they always play to win. Yet two supreme moments of sportsmanship occurred in the last but one Ashes series when Lee (not a recognised batsman) had defended his wicket and put Australia into a position where they could win the match. Flintoff (who also plays to win) took the final wicket to win the match. His reaction? Triumphalism? No, he turned to commiserate with Lee. The second moment was when Pieterson was finally out having made his century and won the match and the series for England. Warne (who does not like losing) walked the length of the pitch to shake his hand.

There is no doubt that India suffered from two appalling umpiring decisions and are right to question this. However, these things happen.

My own impression of the Aussies, having spent a month in Sidney and Melbourne (apologies to the rest) is that they can dish it out but can also take it, and respect you the more when you throw it back at them. The rest of the world had to get used to sledging when it was not the 'done thing'. It's just the way they play, so India would be well advised to learn to dish it out and not throw the dummy out of the pram. Australia who invented the technique should not whinge when they get it back.

With respect Dave, I have always believed that sport is a way of building bridges and I feel that your comments only reflect the negative action which India has taken in pulling out of future contests.

Poms play cricket

Bill Liggins

It's not society, it's a game.

 

The telling thing for me is how the media outside of Australia are viewing this. I do not think many in Australia are aware of the perception that this is having.

A couple of TV news shows here had those crappy phone in polls (for what they are worth), but the support of the Australian public is clearly on the side of the Australian cricket team.

 

Oh well another of my posts has been pulled.

Seems having an opinion on sensitive subjects which is not Politically correct leads to censorship.

If my post was considered inappropriate please could someone explain to me why it is so.

This way i can make an opinion which will not offend peoples sensibilities.

This is not the first time a post of mine has been pulled, again with no communication as to why.

So censorship is alive and well.

I thought one could make a comment or pass an opinion as long as it is not :

Incorrect
a fabrication
defamatory

seems i may be wrong


regards David

 

Dear Bil,

India is the richest cricketing nation with an enormous industry based on Betting on the sport.

This has in the past lead to conflict due to the level of betting and the outcome of matches.

India has again used Blackmail to get its own way with regards to the current trauma.

I would have said fine go home forfeit all monies and revenues and pay damages to all interested parties.

They would then go home to meet the Indian population and the betting public.

Would have been fun to watch.

This now will not happen as the Indians are " Very Happy With The ICC Response To Their Requests".

So spitting the dummy out has got their way.

I expect that Mr Simons compalint will be ignored for a period of time and the alleged Utterer of the word MONKEY will be exonerated.

All is fair in love and War.:deadhorse:

regards David

 

Thankyou for your prompt reply.

So in a society where freedom of speech is enshrined in law it seems that censorship is condoned because a minority who have an opinion on that free speech are valued higher than the majority who are not offended by that freespeech.

So we have censorship by the minority.

Oh well.

so much for the law and democracy.

regards David

 

Hello Dave

Sadly, I agree that in this case throwing the dummy out of the pram has resulted in India getting what they wanted. A sad day for the game and for Steve Buckner, a skilled and respected umpire who, in this case made mistakes, (most of us do from time to time).

I do, however, stick to my remarks on sledging. It's how Auss play the game and if they dish it out then they should be able to take it (they usually do).

To put it in context, as Ian Botham came to the wicket, Rodney Marsh (Australian wicket keeper) tried to unsettle him by asking 'How are your wife and my children?' Botham replied, 'my wife is fine but the kids are retarded'.

England won. It's a game!

Bill

 

Can I add another.
Mike Gatting was once asked by an Aussie bowler whose name I cannot recall " Mike why are you so fat?"

His reply was thus "because everytime I s**g your wife, she gives me a biscuit"

Allegedly, the aussie team broke up in fits of laughter.

 

lol

At least he has a sense of humour.

These men must swot up on one liners before they start each game.

Lovely jubbley :drinks

 

It can be fun and is part of the game, but is starting to cross the line.

Part of the current controversy is over an alleged racial slur. I also recall a recent sledge directed at a previous fast bowler, Glen McGrath, over his wifes battle with breast cancer -- thats when its also going over the line.

 

On reflection Craig I am inclined to agree.

Humour ends where offense is taken. Be it personal or racist in nature it is unacceptable.

Quick wit I love, jibes intended to cause distress are not humour in my opinion.

The ability to discuss contentious issues with consideration & compassion for another human being is surely the better way.

Regards,

 

For me Craig, the remark concerning McGrath's wife is beyond the pale. However, who am I, or you, to determine what is or isn't acceptable. I pointed out in an earlier posting that when 'sledging' began it was generally internationally unacceptable but it was the way that the Aussies played. Because one of their players is upset by an allegedly racist remark they are now crying 'foul'. In the good old Australian expression 'dry yer eyes and get on with it'.

Unfortunately Twirly, pretty well any remark can be taken as offensive. The process of sledging was designed to be upsetting and cause distress to 'put off' the opposing player. I don't go along with Dave's deleted remarks but he is absolutely correct that India have got what they wanted out of the whole debacle which cannot be 'right' and is financially inspired. Both Australia and India need to look carefully at their attitude to a great game.

We've all got chips on our shoulders and it's better to eat them (and look like Shane Warne) than to try to get someone to knock them off.

Keep smiling

Bill Liggins

 

Well boys it seems again I am lost

''Sledging'' will now be committed to the same place as the ''offside rule.''

twirls now learns: Will never, have never understood boys & their games. :bang:

Never get this sorta bother in netball or rounders.

Methinks whatever the game they all need to grow up a bit.

THE END

 

I not sure I got the full story or understand it properly, but there has been some snippets on the news here about an agreement between the Australian and Indian captians at the start of the tour for something like "what happens on the field, stays on the field" ... while I think the racial taunting of Symonds (which did start when Australia toured India) is over the mark, the fact it went to a complaint process is part of what has incensed the India team.....incidently Symonds got sweat justice by being named 'man of the match'.

 

You obviously not seen any recent netball games between Australia and New Zealand ....:hammer: :bang:

 

Yeah, both captains might have agreed to whatever, but in the heat of the match, each team is playing to win and will do anything.

To me, the umpires need to be more in control of the game. What the ump says, goes. If the ump didn't hear it, move on. Relying on the say-so of one team vs another is fraught. If the umpire hears the sledging and decides its 'within the spirit of the game', play on. If he decides its over the mark, then it needs to be dealt with officially.

By the way, I was appalled when Kumble was caught in the slips, the Aussies celebrated the wicket, Kumble didn't know if he was out or not, the umpire just stood there and did nothing and so Kumble had to ask the umpire to make a decision. Do your job ump, take control of the game! It was amazing.

Rebecca

 

Here we go again!!!!!!

several hours later, maybe even days.

excuse 1043

So Sorry you misunderstood what i said.

I used a word from my own Culture and Language which sounds like Monkey.igs:

It means in my language and culture?????

You have sexual relations with your mother.(this is an american term i thought!):craig:

Shame he did not use this version of his excuses earlier and could have avoided the insult that was felt by Mr Symons.:drinks

regards David

 

I return to my point made to Twirly - there's no point in an insult if it does not upset the recipient. I find it very interesting that a racial slur is seen by the PC brigade as much, much worse than an accusation of having sexual relationships with your mother. Or am I being just a touch disingenuous and humour is at last entering the incident?

Kind regards to all our Aussie readers

Pommie Bastard Bill.

 

Hi Bill,

My take on humour is witty jibe = humour ie. the guy who retorted the reason he was chubby was the other guys wife providing post coital biscuits. I thought was very funny. Chortled muchly.

I consider other remarks as offensive if they aren't intended to provide a witty response but are intended to cause real harm.

Maybe I'm odd!

Or just nicer than men playing with bats n balls?

For what it's worth I also reckon that if either team have to rely on daft jibes to gain an upper hand then maybe the cricket pitch is the wrong place to start.

Kindergarten perhaps?

 

Hello Twirly

You're just nicer. It's a testosterone thing.

At least you'll be fond of me.

All the best

Bill

 

Always Bill

(just don't tell Himself )

 

Dear All,

Again the Indian Cricketing Authorities have approached an allegation with their usual professionalism.igs:

WE WON T PLAY UNLESS YOU DO WHAT WE WANT!!!!:boxing:

So the allegation is downgraded to use of offensive language and not racist remark.
:bang:

Call me a cynical, sorry as foul and offensive language is not a great sin in cricket, BASTARD (illigitimate Child for those of delicate sensibilities) but is not the behaviour of the player and the cricketing authorities that of a bunch of:

MAN KEI (i hope that i have got the spelling right). appologies if i have not.

Oh well so much for sporting professionalism and the conduct of those gifted with great ability an example to those of our youth who are influenced by their sporting heroes.

regards David:drinks

 

I am so out of touch I still can't work out how "monkey" became a racial slur and what exactly it means in that context...

As for the arrogance of the Aussie team, that was evident before the tests even started - one or two players made comments inferring the tests would be a walk in the park...of course that is going to get people off-side before they even reach the wicket.

 

Its goes back to the 1936 Olympics in Berlin and the way the Nazi regime portrayed Jesse Owens (and blacks in general) after his 100m gold. The pictures on the front page of the newspaper tried to link the evolution of blacks being closer to monkey's than the aryan race.

 

Dear All

The reason for the slur and the controversy is that the Indian Supporters and allegedly members of the Indian cricket team were name calling one of the Australian players specifically.

Everytime he touched the ball the chant was made. MONKEY

Now let me see why is this offensive to an Australian Team member.

The palyer is of West Indian origin and has dreadlocks and wore White skin block on his lips.

He complained to the authorities and the Indian crowds were admonished and so were the Indian cricket team.

So in the next match when the word Monkey was uttered the aussie player again complained.

4 days later an excuse of MAN KEI was the word uttered. So not a racial slur But as Bill has so eloquently put it an obscene slur was uttered. :boxing:

The aussie player initially did not accept this explanation but has subsequently accepted it. So the matter is now dead and the Indian SPORTSMEN play on.:deadhorse:

regards David
A European African:drinks

 

It's an interesting world isn't it. I can recall a time when, in the U.K. at least, it was considered a racial slur to describe someone of Afro-Caribbean origin as 'black' or in plural 'blacks'.

I understand that the racial desription of Jesse Owens by the Nazis went back much further.

I didn't know that Symonds was of Afro-Caribbean origin anyway, and as a previous poster pointed out he got man of the match.

Isn't this all a bit of a mountain being created out of a molehill and obscurring - as Dave points out - the more important issues.

All the best

Pommie Bastard Bill

 

Thanks for the enlightenment Craig.

Neither did I, but then I don't really pay much attention to people's appearances.
Much more interested in their actions and their character.

 

Dear All,

Well they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

And after India's tremendous display of skill and erm erm Ineptitude on the field of battle when playing the 20 20 Baseball sorry cricket match we have a beautiful photo in todays The Daily Telegraph Australia.

The photo is on page 27 on the cricket supplement page.

POST MATCH CONGRATULATION SHAKING OF HANDS BY THE TEAMS.

And this is beautiful.

Andrew Symonds is shaking the hand of Harbrajan Singh.:drinks

What is significant is that Mr Symonds has a very firm clasp of Mr Singh's hand while Mr Harbrajan appears a bit limp wristed. Also Mr Symonds is staring straight into the eyes of Mr Singh and Mr Singh's eye's are averted from Mr Symond's and looking left and down towards the ground.:deadhorse:

Georgeous photo and a says a lot about the beliefs here in what occurred. Mr Symonds confident and assured and Mr Singh BEATEN BY THE BETTER MAN.:boxing:

I listened to the farce of a game on the radio and the commentary was hillarious regarding the total lack of commitment of the Indian team and they were betting on how many runs and overs it would take to defeat the Indian team. It was not many. The Aussies by contrast were convincing in their total domination of the game.

I still think 20 20 is more like Baseball than Cricket, but is no worse than the Pyjama cricket when this was launched several years ago.

What is more satisfying is that this match was in front of a record crowd.

Go the Aussies.:drinks

Hey i live here now so i can adopt the aussie team. Anyway the Scots dont play cricket.

regards David