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Adidas Springblade running shoe

Discussion in 'Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses' started by NewsBot, Jun 25, 2013.

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  2. Paul Bowles

    Paul Bowles Well-Known Member

    Do they come with a massive warning on the box saying: STEP IN DOG POO AT YOUR OWN RISK! What a bitch to clean......
     
  3. You shared my first thoughts. I like the idea though, looks to be inspired by Stefanyshyn and Nigg's work. I designed a foot orthoses along similar principles a while back called "HERO"- high energy return orthosis.
     
  4. Sicknote

    Sicknote Active Member

    First of all, they should be banned from elite/sporting competition.

    Secondly, anybody training in those & then moving to a more conventional shoe will be severely disadvantaged (performance wise), potentially leading to a whole host of injuries.

    I'd imagine they would also 'turn off' the Achilles tendons.
     
  5. They will be banned by the IAAF since their laws prohibit the use of springs in footwear.

    Not sure what you mean by "turn off the Achilles' tendon"? Was unaware that you could "turn a tendon on".
     
  6. davidh

    davidh Podiatry Arena Veteran

    Beats the hell out of the Dellinger web:D!

    (for those old enough to remember that far back..........)
     
  7. be cool if the springs could be tuned to the individual, maybe in the future
     
  8. Paul Bowles

    Paul Bowles Well-Known Member

    Thats marketing genius right there.....


    I designed one called W.A.N.K.E.D. but the Walking Assisted Non Kinetic Energy Device just couldn't get off the ground ;)
     
  9. Paul Bowles

    Paul Bowles Well-Known Member

    There is no reason why they couldn't - Adidas did this concept with ONE a few years back where if I remember correctly the air cell shifted dynamic load with a small pneumatic pump based on the force applied from the rearfoot to forefoot. It had a small chip built into the midsole.....
     
  10. It didn't get any further than the drawing board- I have some 3d models I drew in solidworks, but they need to be 3d printed for manufacture.
     
  11. Paul Bowles

    Paul Bowles Well-Known Member

    I hope you got the sarcasm in my post/acronym - maybe I shot that one just a tad high....not about your marketing prowess, more so about my WANKED device :)

    ;)
     
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    Here is the Adidas press release:
     
  13. Sicknote

    Sicknote Active Member

    The lower limb already has built in springs in the form of the Achilles, plantar fascia & other foot tendons.

    If you let the shoes (springs) do the job of the tendons, I would imagine the tendons 'operating less efficiently', than when one wears regular shoes?.

    People opting to train in these & then use regular shoes during competition, I predict disaster.
     
  14. OK, so now you are saying that the tendon is spring-like in it's behaviour, this is not the same statement you made previously that these shoes would "turn the Achilles tendon off" which is patently nonsense.

    So, spring efficiency is basically a ratio of the energy input versus the energy returned; hysteresis is a measure of the energy lost during a load unload cycle. In vivo hysteresis in tendons is independent of physiological function and loading (Maganaris CN. Tensile properties of in vivo human tendinous tissue. J Biomech. 35(8):1019-27, 2002.) How then does the wearing of this shoe alter the efficiency of the tendon to store and return energy and viz. modify the tendon's hysteresis characteristics?

    One potential influence on tendon hysteresis could be from the rate of loading of the Achilles when wearing these shoes, however since we have no kinematic nor kinetic data, nor any data on the exact geometry nor load/ deformation characteristics of the Adidas shoe, one could only speculate. Indeed, the influence of loading rate on the mechanical properties of the Achilles tendon, while inconclusive, lean toward loading rate having little, if any influence on this tendons stiffness nor hysteresis characteristics: http://www.springerplus.com/content/2/1/212

    You predict disaster based on what knowledge base?
     
  15. Simon:

    Here is how I deal with Sicknote's continuous stream of idiotic comments:

     
  16. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha,

    From the Official Press Release,
    "Hundreds of materials were tested by aIT (adidas Innovation Team) to ensure each spring produced maximum energy efficiency with every step."
    This statement is inaccurate.
    We all know that advanced composite carbon fiber has a higher modulus of elasticity and energy return than any any polymer plastic or foam.

    Kingetics has developed, tested and patented a new advanced composite "energy return" orthotic system that has been tested for the US Department of Defense and it is "inside" the shoe housing making dog dodo shoe clean up easier...

    They also have a proven pucture resistance of up to 8000 Newtons.

    I commend Adidas for looking away from foam and hope their shoe is allowed to run in any race they wish to run.

    We will wait for the publishing and sharing of thier testing results to see if this shoe fufills the requirements for an advanced shoe system as suggested by Dr. Nigg in his book Biomechanics of Sport Shoes in Chapter 7 on Work and Energy.

    "It should — it’s been six years in the making, undergoing hundreds of tests. The shoe launches Aug. 1 in seven different color combinations. It will retail for $180."

    A Hui Hou,
    Steve

    Managing Member Kingetics LLC

    http://mauinow.com/2013/06/14/next-gen-combat-boot-designed-on-maui/
     
  17. Craig Payne

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    Here are the designers talking about the shoe:

     
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  18. CamWhite

    CamWhite Active Member

    I'm all over this. Can't wait to try them on. I'm especially interested in seeing how much frontal plane stability the shoes have.

    This shoe is nothing more than a trainer. It should probably be used only on pavement or on a track. Don't see it as a trail shoe at all. This design could also potentially be beneficial as a post-race, recovery shoe.
     
  19. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    Here is the TV commercial for them:

     
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  20. David Wedemeyer

    David Wedemeyer Well-Known Member

    I'm waiting patiently for Simon Bartold to see this and chime in..
     
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  23. Jonathan

    Jonathan Active Member

    Brilliant, if they can keep people active then i am all for them.
     
  24. Our local running shoe store, which is one of the largest in Northern California, does not carry this shoe. Maybe this shoe is a little too "out there" to be commonly available??
     
  25. In order to be beneficial in terms of energy storeage and return the shoe should store and return energy with the correct timing and at the correct location/ drection beneath the foot. Does this design do this such that it works when running forward and backward? Call me cynical.
     
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    Forbes are reporting:
    Adidas Commits To Nontraditional Springblade Line Of Running Shoes
    Full story
     
  28. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    “It is very clear from a global perspective this is a two horse race for market share,” added Peveto, referencing an ongoing battle for market share between adidas and Nike.

    Perhaps that was the last thing they heard the horse say at the car race...
     
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    Someone Is Suing adidas Over Defective Springblade Sneakers
    Adidas accused of releasing defective Springblade running shoe that splits
     
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    Effects of energy boost and springblade footwear on knee and ankle loads in recreational runners
    Jonathan Sinclair
    The Foot and Ankle Online Journal 9 (2): 8
     
  32. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    This is a plea to all my fellow research scientists.

    Footwear is changing and we will need better descriptors of shoes and orthotics that are being tested.

    We cannot allow the use of the term "conventional running footwear" anymore.

    Take the time to describe the footwear being tested.

    For instance if it is a wedged 60 durometer EVA foam midsole with a 26mm rearfoot and 12 mm forefoot and 2mm toe off then call it that.

    If we were in a basic chemistry lab we would use more scientific descriptors than "We used conventional reagent in our experiment."

    Might as well just say you used blue shoes...

    How can we validate your experiments if you don't tell us what you really used to test?

    Is that just a big waste of money and time then?

    Mahalo,
    Steve
     
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    Adidas is suing Skechers
     
  34. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha,

    They do look pretty much the same although the Sketchers is a third the price.
    Does price affect function?
    Did Sketchers use less "advanced" plastic materials to lower the price?

    http://www.famousfootwear.com/en-US... Mega Blade 2.0 Sneaker Pre_Grade School.aspx

    vs.

    http://runnwalk.com/adidas-mens-springblade-running-shoe-g99643/

    Someday shoe companies may find that a lever provides significantly more mechanical advantage than multiple leaf springs for gait and that a patent has already been established for that as well.

    Mahalo,
    Steve

    Co-Patent Author
    US Pat# 8,353,968
    EU Pat# 2,393,389


    Trolling for Intellects...
     
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  36. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha,

    Now that there is a lawsuit in our public courts perhaps other owners of leaf spring technology will enter the fray as well.

    Mr. Avini US Pat# 7,100,308 (assigned to Nike) has a patent on a single leaf spring shoe that mechanically resembles the leaf springs that Adidas is claiming Sketchers stole from them.
    http://www.google.com/patents/US7100308

    Mr. Van Phillips has multiple patents assigned to him with prosthetic leaf springs for gait systems that perhaps mechanically resembles the leaf springs that Nike has patented in shoes that Adidas is claiming Sketchers stole from them.

    http://www.google.com/patents/US5549714
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Phillips_(inventor)

    Yet none of them is utilizing an rocker lever that follows the mechanical equation:
    Force x Distance = Force x Distance

    Perhaps because that patent for use in shoes, orthotics, prosthetics, mechatronics, exoskeletons and robotics is being held by someone else and they would not want to infringe on someone else's Patented Intellectual Property.

    Perhaps because using a lever for mechanical advantage during gait is too complex a concept for them since some shoe company's lawyers claim that they are just "marketing companies" or at least that is what they have said in the news when there are labor disputes and employee rights issues in the contracted factories that "make" their billions of foam shoes.

    https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297c/trade_environment/wheeling/hnike.html

    If you study what Mr. Knight studied at Stanford U. and read his masters thesis this may assist in understanding the current shoe markets and "technologies".
    ?Can Japanese Sports Shoes Do to German Sports Shoes What Japanese Cameras Did to German Cameras??

    With the current market cap of his company at $100 billion who could claim he was wrong leading the industry in this direction?
    https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:NKE&ei=D0OFV5mGJYejigLl0aGoCQ

    What's a few patents on advanced gait technologies among billion dollar international conglomerates anyway?

    A hui hou,
    Steve


    Co-Patent Author
    US Pat# 8,353,968
    EU Pat# 2,393,389
     
  37. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha,

    Here is a great YouTube link to great talk by Mr. Van Philips.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d7O8UxFJt4

    I think he truly understood the concept of Doctor Heal Thyself.

    I thank him for his leadership and innovations.

    A hui hou,
    Steve
     
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  39. Dr. Steven King

    Dr. Steven King Well-Known Member

    Aloha,

    Perhaps the article missed this classic poach.

    MBT vs Sketchers Shape Ups.

    Perhaps MBT would still be in business if they would have had run adds like this one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYZ8SDa48DM


    It is funny-odd-sad that supersized foam shoes started the current barefoot movement that have now morphed into the maximalism movement without changing the materials or designs much.

    When marketing departments receive more funding than research departments be ready to start calling red blue and blue red.

    A hui hou,
    Steve
     
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