Dentron Biogun

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Has anyone used the dentron biogun with success and do you use it in conjuction with ky jelly or ultra sound gel. Have heard if one uses it with gel the results are improved, I have no experience of it but if it is that good perhaps I will consider getting one.

Neil

 

Hi,

I looked into this piece of kit a while ago, and could find no unbiased evidence that it did what was claimed regarding VP treatment.

There is certainly some anecdotal evidence to show that it works (see the UK SMAE forum if you are a member of the BChPA), but how much of this is wishful thinking, or placebo effect is uncertain.

As it stands, my impression is that this is an expensive piece of kit which was developed for another use (dentistry), then marketed to podiatry to increase sales.

regards,
david

 

Hi All

I have been using this for several years now and must agree with David.

All the claims would seem to be anecdotal and I politely questioned the resolution rates claimed on the SMAE web site as I have never had any outcome numbers resembling those claimed.

I think the problem with the equipment is a lack of laid down procedure for it's use and any available I have found were again anecdotal in origin.

To answer Neils question , No , I have never heard of gel being used in the treatment and have never used it myself , but that's not to say no one else has.

I think the placebo effect is an important part of this, and it is all but pain free.

So for the insistent mothers who demand treatment for a minuscule vp on a small child it does the trick.


It certainly does not do what was claimed by some in it's early days and even after having it upgraded (to increase the power) in my opinion nothing has changed.

Please someone prove me wrong !!

Cheers

Derek

 

Hi,
I found the "research" which claimed 100% success for the Dentron Biogun in treating VPs.

http://www.dentron.co.uk/NewVernonpaper.htm

I don't believe it, and remain unconvinced by this paper, which seems little more than an unsubtle marketing ploy .

regards,
david

 

Hi David

Yes it would appear so

The modus operandi described is virtually the same as I have used over several years and cannot claim anything like these resolution rates.

My opinion is it is certainly no better than cryo59 BUT a lot less painful which is about the best thing it has going for it.

The thread on the SMAE site gives very different exposure times (anything from 5 to 20 minutes) to achieve the claims made there.

I like every other pod would love to have a 100% rate on these sometimes recalcitrant painful lesions but I don't think it will be found here unfortunately

Cheers

Derek

 

I have owned the Junior Biogun for over 5 years now. Having used it extensively for 3 out of 5 of these years (I have not bothered for the last 2), and having viewed all the 'research', I have come to the conclusion that it is nothing less than the modern equivalent of Snake Oil. Of course anything works if you believe it enough, and VPs are particularly tricky, as who knows if the VP has gone as a result of the treatment, or because the virus has reached the end of its life cycle anyway? I originally brought it as, like many of my colleagues, I was obsessed with verrucas and how to get rid of the blooming things! Sometimes it 'appeared to work', sometimes it didn't. Much like every other treatment really. As to 'the evidence', the silence is deafening when hard clinical data is asked for! In conclusion, a very flashy and expensive toy marketed by pseudo-science, in my opinion. Use Duct Tape, its far cheaper, doesn't waste electricity, and at least it has one bona fide clinical trial to support it

 

Hi,

Long time since replying, sorry but a colleague of mine has had very good success rates using a biogun on verruca's, clearing them up, some quickly, some slowly.
The treatment, although could vary, is by using gel under the wristbands for patient and chiropodist where the buckle bit is, then at least 3 minutes sometimes more depending, this is where experience comes in, weekly treatments for 3-6 weeks, depending. Also patient is sent away with a pack to file down each day and cover with duct tape, so could be a dual effective treatment, who knows.
I tend to send my patients with verruca's to them, as I would like to get into orthotics but reliase need to do a lot more studying to do so.

 

I think the key statement here is, that "the patient is sent away with a pack to file down each day and cover with duct tape!" If the Biogun is so wonderful, why then does it need to be used with another proprietary treatment? In almost every 'success story' I have looked into, this appears to be the case. I don't doubt that it works in some cases, clearly it does, but then so does banana skins! The Biogun, I believe, costs over £1,000. A roll of duct tape costs a couple of quid. Ipso facto, and all that

 

I agree Tim,
We'd all like it to work, but the evidence that is does is simply not there.

 

have

 

I have used the Dentron Biogun with some success. I had a patient with an old established large verruca and having treated it with salicylic acid, glutarol, pairing it with a scalpel , I was on the point of giving up when I was advised to try the Biogun. I purchased it with a monthly fee and would have returned it if it didn't work, but to my great delight, it did! I have since then used it on several patients. Admittedly not all of them were successful but a large number of them were.
Since I have retired I used it on my own finger with a verruca successfully.
The main course of its action is the emitting of negativly charge oxide ions which travel through the air under the large potential difference hitting the surface of teh skin. These ions will not have any effect deeper in the epidermis so it is important to remove as much as possible of the overlying hard skin. It needs to be used at least weekly for several weeks. Other methods of removal of the verruca help as well. It is a synergic effect. Two ways of attacking the verruca put together are better than each one on its own.
It is definitely not snake oil. Its use in healing ulcers and dentistry is well documented as its use in podiatry.