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Dry needling VP's

Discussion in 'Teaching and Learning' started by BestyPod, Mar 27, 2013.

  1. BestyPod

    BestyPod Active Member

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    Hi all,

    I will be doing some dry needling at uni for the first time in a few weeks and was hoping to read a few papers on it first. I must be looking in the wrong places as I can't seem to find anything. Can anyone recommend any to me?

    Many thanks
  2. Griff

    Griff Moderator

  3. blinda

    blinda MVP

  4. BestyPod

    BestyPod Active Member

    Just the job, thank you :)
  5. Ian Linane

    Ian Linane Well-Known Member

    Hi Betsy

    Not sure if you are referring to acupuncture "dry needling" for VP or if you mean multiple puncture needling for VP. In the case of the former there may well be very little and, in addition, any search might be skewed because dry needling is very much linked with acupuncture (for many conditions). May be more helpful to you to change the search term and leave out dry needling.
  6. Shane Toohey

    Shane Toohey Active Member

    Yes Besty,

    Ian is clarifying your query. The 'dry needling' you are probably going to do at uni will be using acupuncture needles to try and release 'trigger points' to improve function and reduce pain. The 'needling' of VP's is done with hypodermic needles to create an eschar which may take the VP with it as it dries up and eventually comes away. I personally dont use acupuncture needles to treat VP's as I think there are quicker ways of dealing with the problem, generally.

  7. Seamus McNally

    Seamus McNally Active Member

    Good man Shane. Thought you would be too busy packing for trip to Ireland/ England, and having done podiatric acupuncture with you last year the post title caught my attention. Yes, I dont think it is the first time there has been confusion between Western Medical Acupuncture ( aka dry needling) and 'dry needling' of veruccas.
  8. blinda

    blinda MVP

    .....which is why we should not refer to the verrucae needling method, first described by Falknor in 1969, as "dry needling", IMO.
  9. Ian Linane

    Ian Linane Well-Known Member

    ....agreed Bel.
  10. poppet

    poppet Active Member

    just to add my conclusion to this problem; i simply call it verruca immune stimmulation therapy...VIS Therapy for short. i then explain the older and slightly confusing term of 'dry needling'. pts seem to appreciate it!

    hope that helps someone?!
    karen aka poppet
  11. drsarbes

    drsarbes Well-Known Member

    I guess I'm confused.
    DRY NEEDLING. How is it done and what is the goal.

  12. lmcgeo11

    lmcgeo11 Welcome New Poster

    Hi guys, I'm pretty new to this and I am in need of help to find papers for verruca.
    Does anyone have access to 'Needling- a treatment option for recalcitrant verrucae pedis.'

    It is by B. Skilton and Z. Mehar and was published in the May 2011 issue of Pod Now- I just can't get access to it.

    Any help would be appreciated.

  13. poppet

    poppet Active Member

    Hi Steve,

    its probably easier to refer you back to my thread entitled mosaic verrucae...help with treatment.

  14. Shane Toohey

    Shane Toohey Active Member

    Hi Steve,

    I think the term 'Dry Needling' was first used to describe the use of needles to release myofascial trigger points without injecting anything. This was an adaptation of the techniques described by Travel and Simons, your compatriots, whose books "Myofascail Pain and Dysfunction, the Trigger Point Manual, Vols 1 & 2" became bibles for this approach to treat musculoskeletal pain. Their technique involved ther injection of miniscule, .5ml, of local anaesthetic. Subsequent practice indicated that it didnt seem to matter what was injected and and then that just the penetration of the taut muscle band with the needle and no injection worked as well.
    It was not then a great leap for practitioners to start using acupuncture needles instead of syringes and achieve similar results.
    The term 'Dry Needling was then used to also indicate that the needling was not being done as Traditional (Chinese) Acupuncture. It has been used then as part of a movement/approach called Western Medical Acupuncture which incorporates other needling techniques being used with a science approach and not being based on Traditional.
    Interesting nevertheless that their is in the traditional literature going back into antiquity a 'muscle and sinew' treatment that is remarkably similar to the system above. However it has not been used much in the way acupuncture has been taught in the west.
    Overall the techniques are simple to use and often produce remarkable reductions in pain. It falls easily into the competency of podiatrists.
    I hope this helps with some perspective because the term 'dry needling' really has a common usage that is not precise.
    You see how easily the term is confused with the needling technique adapted for VP's where nothing is injected.

    Meanwhile Seamus, I am in the Emirites Lounge in Dubai with next stop Dublin, all the best, mate

  15. drsarbes

    drsarbes Well-Known Member

    Hi Shane
    Thank you for the explanation.

  16. Len

    Len Member


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