In his lecture entitled "Myth Busting: A Revolution in Biomechanics, Dr Simon Spooner credits me (Dennis Shavelson DPM) with the following quote:
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“To me, pronation is bad, supination
good.”- Shavelson 2012
He blames me for a myth that I busted as well historically.
http://www.arteveldehogeschool.be/e...iatric Biomechanics myth busting. Belgium.pdf
In fact, I have been the major voice in theoretical biomechanics stating that RF Pronation is not the major cause of pedal and postural pathology. Instead, it is compensatory. The Myth that I am busting that Dr Spooner neglects to discuss in his lecture is that SALRE is a weak monitor of primary biomechanical pathology and points us to weak treatments, foot type specific.
In 2009, I started a thread on Podiatry Arena entitled:
"STJ Pronation Not the Common Cause of Foot Problems"
http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showthread.php?t=27042&page=6
In 2012, I started this thread on the same site:
Pronation:Busting Some Myths with Disruptive Technology
http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showthread.php?t=77726
My position on this subject is further defined in this thread that I started on Present Podiatry eTalk entitled:
"Biomechanical Unification Question #1: Is Pronation--Hyperpronation Always Bad?"
https://podiatry.com/etalk/Biomechanical-Unification-t5694.html#-1
The facts here that I attest to are that pronation, in most circles including biomechanics, podiatry, sports medicine, running, closed chain medicine, has come to mean something bad that happens in the Rearfoot on the frontal plane.
(Please Google Pronation to confirm). This is a myth that I Bust.
Most of our pedal pathology in feet that are collapsing (low foot posture) has a supinatory origin in the forefoot with the exception of the double flex foot and double rigid foot types.
I would be pleased to see Dr Spooner present the documentation (or the location and context of his quote) that reflects me believing that pronation is bad or even worse, that supination is good.
The biggest problem in functional lower extremity biomechanics is first ray supination and the defeat of the 1st ray rocker on the sagital plane (Dananberg).
Dennis
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This is funny :D Dennis hasn't got a clue what was said in that lecture because he wasn't there and he has no transcript of what I said. All that he knows is the content of this slide: http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showpost.php?p=253664&postcount=10 I already told him when he said it in this thread: http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showthread.php?t=77726 All he needs to do is go back and look through the drivel that he wrote that day.
As ever, I have absolutely no interest in entering into any discussion with Dennis Shavelson and actually might as well take my colleagues lead in adding him to the ignore list. -
I appreciate your rather civil response.
I went back to the thread from which you derived that quote.
I stated that Foot Centering Theory was disruptive technology and then wrote:
"Introducing to the novices and students of biomechanics the thought that pronation is bad and supination is good or that the rearfoot is the primary cause of biomechanical pathology needs replacing with a disruptive technology".
I'm not sure how you appreciated that:
Pronation is bad and supination is good was my position and then when on the slide in question, you made me responsible for the myth that has been perpetuated by the podiatry community at large to this date that I was looking to bust.
Dennis
PS: With one or two exceptions, I am finding your Ph.D thesis ahead of its time. -
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Dennis -
This message is hidden because drsha is on your ignore list.
Should have done that years ago.;):D -
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Since I am now making healthy lifestyle choices.....less fat......less salt......no more reading bizarre comments from Dennis, Blaise and Dana......I'm now gonna add another 10 years onto my life......:rolleyes: -
Why is there so much brutality/ Hostility, in the arena? surely no one has claim to Autonymous knowledge beyond everyone else!:bang::boxing:
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Suffice it to write, egos are HUGE on this site...my brief foray here has demonstrated that for sure. It appears to be the academics that have the most to "protect", thus their approach to others with differing opinions is less then exemplary. Academics can recite chapter and verse ALL of the research that has been done in re to a certain topic, but, IMO, struggle to bring reality and meaning to the research, and/or fail to separate the wheat from the chaff in re to the study. Not all research is meaningful, cogent and without clinical errors. It is not the end all of any discussion, it is merely a starting point. But don't tell the academics that...they cling to those studies/words as if they were a life vest in a sea of scientific turmoil. They use the research as a shield to deflect criticism and contrarian opinion.
Dr Shavelson should be offered an apology and reinstatement. He and I differ on a great many precepts...there's not much we do agree upon, as a matter of fact. But to ban him is over the top editorial discretion...and here in the States, there's something called the first amendment which I hold dearly and exercise frequently. -
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au contraire; he was banned for his repeated personal attacks and personal abuse of those who disagreed with him. He made a choice to take criticisms of his concepts personally and respond personally.
If you act and respond in certain ways, then users tend to respond in certain ways.
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Sorry, it really is against my policy to discuss banned members - I said more above than I normally would. These discussions normally end up in a worse place and are not worth it.
A ban is not a knee jerk reaction - it comes after a lot of anguish and consideration. I get damned if I do and damned if I don't.
If member gets put on "ignore" or "abused", it tends to be because of the way the behaved or responded initially.
Podiatry Arena is littered with "one hit wonders" who come here promoting their pet theories who then react badly when they get taken to task. They tend not to respond well to that.
Invariably, that is started when they make unsubstantiated claims that they get called on --> things go downhill from there. Yes, well established members can get out of line; and yes they get warned.
See this:http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showthread.php?t=41531 - its satire but we seen them all here on Podiatry Arena over the 10 years. -
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Academic debate is often brutal and hostile, Mr Nake. But if you think Podiatry Arena is brutal and hostile, you might want to take a look at what is happening in the rest of the world right now. -
Remember these two bizarre threads:
Dr Craig Payne's Secret "IGNORE LIST" on The Podiatry Arena Revealed by Kevin Kirby DPM
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The same parameters you appear to use to decide whether, or not, to ban someone, I have witnessed first hand by some of the gurus here unabated. Perhaps a reset button needs to be pushed...either that, or the toilet bowl needs to be emptied. Like I wrote before...I have heard Dr. Shavelson come after me over the phone...and if I can't take the heat, it's time to get out of the kitchen. At least he was professional about his questions/statements...which is more than I can state for those academics here that act otherwise.
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