As I visit the UK a lot, I thought I might join SOCAP be be better informed of UK issues .... of I go to the SOCAP website .... there is no way to join and no application form to download. There is no email address for membership inquires, just a 'contact us' form (which do tend to have track records of being unreliable). ... ok, I filled it out ..... I guess I was right about the unreliability of 'contact us' form, as it took them over a week or so to respond (every other organisation I deal with like this usually respond immediately!).
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Guess what the response was? 'If you are attending the Society’s conference in Harrogate please visit the Society stand where you can collect an application form' !!! You must be joking? As I explained in the 'contact form' --- my reasons for wanting to join and that I am in Australia!! .... wouldn't you kinda assume that I NOT attending the conference!
I replied several days ago, that I was in Australia and NOT going to the conference ... still no response and still no application form...
don't figure .... and don't get it
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I just checked my own State Association website and the American Podiatric Medical Association Website - they both had easy to find 'How to join' sections and both had downloadable membership forms ... easy as ... -
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Why don't you write and complain, Craig? They'll probably put a sub-committee together; bring the various same old, same old faces together and provide them with expenses and lunch to discuss it. It's a good job that the membership, myself included, aren't paying the salaries of the people who should be dealing with your enquiry. Wait a minute....... Doh.:bang: -
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Craig
I am not sure what the problem is- if you go to the public site- feetforlife.org and click on About SCP on top menu , you will get membership application form to download and contact phone numbers.
We dont call it SOCAP anymore by the way.
regards
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Those of us based in the UK deal with things like this on a daily basis, that's why we develop a stiff upper lip and a blitz mentality :bash: (No xenophobic or racist intimations meant).
Even the comedians are leaving. When the quintessential English gentlemen, Stephen Fry, expresses an interest in becoming a U.S. citizen, you know the ship's going down :sinking:
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I am a fully pd up member in Australia and had no problem getting "overseas" or "non-practicing" membership in two other countries .....
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Craig
With respect, I probably wouldnt be able to join your state association nor APMA on the strength of my UK training.
There may be associate membership for overseas practitioners, I dont know, but I am sure you wouldnt want the full package anyway as it includes insurance. How about subscribing to the journal of the society-Podiatry Now?
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:welcome: Just a little correction we are the SCP NOT SOCAP :empathy: this changed years ago. Before critisizing the SCP I first suggest you all get the name correct. As for not answering imediately I the SCP has a small staff and has thousands of enquiries so they will take a couple of days to reply. I suggest you all learn to take a step back and learn the art of patience. Which I know is very hard for some of our overseas collegues.
If you still have no joy why don't you phone the SCP on +44845 450 3720 or write with contact details to The Society of Chiropodists and Podiatrists, 1 Fellmongers Path, London, SE1 3LY.
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They do reply in a timely manner it's just your all too impatient! Read my previous thread again. As you know the UK has staffing problems due to financial instability ( obviously not the same in Australia!!) finances are tight everywhere!! So learn patience then you will live longer and not die of high blood pressure related disorders!!
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Craig,
Why do you think joining SOCAP the Society of Consumer Affairs Professionals will make you better informed of UK issues?
Assuming you mean UK podiatry issues, you seem to have made enough comments to date with out 'information'.
Society fees are around £320, associate membership is available at about £80.
Save your money get your buddy Simon to give you access to the members web site, and subscribe to Pod Now. Does your University not take that journal?
In the meantime wait for the 'new long awaited' Web site and the potential change of name when they drop Chiropodist.
Ex SOCAP member, but defensive Brit.
PS well done on the apology front Gordon is saving it for a pre election boost. -
"Why do you think joining SOCAP the Society of Consumer Affairs Professionals will make you better informed of UK issues?"
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Joining SCP (not SOCAP - how outdated are you?) is simple.
Info on SCP site and application form is downloadable. May be difficult if you don't fit the criteria.....or maybe you're just being a payne in the arse.
I have been a member for many years and detest pods who constantly knock it. SCP is made up of it's members, so don't knock me! Not happy, then join SCP and put your money where your mouth is and make changes.
I'm proud to belong to one of the best AHP professional bodies that exists. Put up or shut up is my motto! -
I am an active member of SCP and have been for years. As Spike said if you knock SCP you knock your fellow collegues! Dont knock that which you have limited knowledge! The SCP works very hard for its members! I am very proud to be a member of both SCP And HPC giving us stability as a profession and stopping untrained people treating volnerable people.
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Nads
I have to disagree on your point about the "HPC giving us stability as a profession and stopping untrained people treating vulnerable people. "
Do you seriously believe this?
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Cornmerchant
You beat me to this, but failed to add the role of the Society.
We all know that the Society supported the role of Age Concern in providing volunteer 'nail cutters, ie the 3rd sector.
We also know (or those who are in the know) that the Society is about to support the use of scalpels by unsupervised Podiatry assistants.
The Society have yet to challenge the effectiveness of the HPC in 'protecting the public', and are unlikely to do so irrespective of the massive file of evidence now in the CEOs possession.
The HPC does NOT stop unqualified people performing Shiropody, it protects a title not a function.
Arguably the SCP does have some merits but not IMHO those described by Nads.
Hence an ex SCP member.
Simon
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This is an intersting thread and I admire the loyalty shown by members to the SCP.Yes I am a member and as a member of other Podiatry Professional Associations I have to say that I do believe that SCP works hard for its members and certainly is one of the best there is.
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How dare you REG! I am outraged the SCP does not want scalpel wealding assistants! I am on the ADA ( Annual Delegates Assembly) and this was discussed this year and the SCP are catagorically against it! I think you tone is abusive and you need to get your facts straight!!
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Simon
I am not sure why you still belong to SCP when you so openly slate it?
REG
I agree with what you say- the SCP has let me down as a PP, and seems to be driven by the needs of the NHS/government.
Faye
I do not belong to other bodies, but I would say that a big problem is that members of SCP are totally ignorant of most things that are going on! I think REG gave a good summary of how we as members have been sold down the river already.
As for the HPC- its a joke, granted not a very funny one.
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Nads
I am not sure why you are so outraged? Simon said worse!
I must point out that being on the ADA does not give you insight into the inner sactum of the society- it just means that you went through the motions-literally- that purport to be a democratic process.
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Bob, what do you know of what I've previously been involved with in terms of the SCP? Very little to nothing, right? So don't talk out of your arse because you don't know the facts. I've never sat on my arse and done nothing, what are your contributions to the profession here in the UK and internationally? AND don't ever tell me what to do in such an abrasive tone.
Simon,
Equally what do you know about what I have been involved in in the Society, probably Nothing?
Simon talking out of arses seems to be one of your specialties so I have to defer to you on that!
And exactly what are your contributions, here in the UK and Internationally?
Have you yet produced a unified theory of pathomechanics? And why is Robert I now the lead writer on Biomechanics for the Society?
And please do not 'threaten me because I've seen you and you ain't big enough to stop me'.
Yes we have met and then you were head of a school of Pod, had zero vision of where education could be expanded had no interest in enabling Society Branch advancement, have never in my time got involved with your local branch, did for a short period enable some Biomechanical work shops with some promising students, one of which is now prominent in the Society special interest group and still in education.
Apart from that unless you are part of the inner circle you so despise you are invisible.
So please do not slag me off, it is so unprofessional.
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Nads,
sorry if you think I have been abusive, and yes I know what the ADA said, I used to talk at the ADAs.
But be patient, band 4 pod assistants will wield scalpels the training courses are already in place and the SCP will accept them into membership.
Sorry no longer my problem I left over it. -
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Simon
I googled you and what did I find
http://www.podiatrypages.co.uk/pl/pl3/pl3-spooner.htm
All reads pretty 'standard' to me.
So your PHD was in inherited foot problems, where did that go then?
Google David h far more impressive.
So obviously your practice is not pure biomechanics, so what is your favored treatment for verrucca?
And what do you charge for home visits?
Fraternally Bob -
You were once involved with the Cornwall branch of the Society, I met with you once where-upon you tried to convince me that the University should be providing free CPD for your branch members. We were already providing free CPD to members of the NHS trust from Cornwall to Gloucester to Dorset. I did not see the need for the University at that time to provide CPD to private practitioners also. But later personally gave a number of free lectures that your members could attend.
A unified theory of pathomechanics already exists, as previosuly described in the literature (and I'm not talking about Paul Harradines work), so why would I need to re-describe it?
Robert, writes his column for the magazine of the Society because he asked them if he could and they said yes.
I've slagged you off how? Who is being unprofessional here? "I've seen you and you ain't big enough to stop me". Nice.
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I do not have an axe to grind with you, I merely asked why you stay with the society if you think they are "SOCRAP" -your words not mine.
I do not need to explain to you why I stay anon. It is not relevant. I certainly do not need to justify myself and my professional standing to you.
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Oh dear Simon
What a mixture mixture of self promotion and venom.
I too attract patients world wide, Israel, Alaska Holland Belgium, Bulgaria Spain,Dubai so what?
We have also shared patients it would be unprofessional for me to comment.
So what makes you so professional and me so unprofessional?
Your charm?
Or perhaps your association with SMAE's journal?
Now sitting on a Society committee, big deal, yep done that.
Your contribution to NHS training was I'm sure admirable, however I NEVER requested free CPD for the Cornwall branch the then head of services for the Cornwall NHS and I explored a joint funded initiative which obviously you failed to understand.
The origional concept of SCP CPD was that it would be delivered by the universities hence the 'accademic' way in which it was written. The Universities failed to rise to the challenge (quote from a former head of Podiatry at Plymouth Uni), hence it became an earner for private providers.
Your take vs mine.
Big boys fighting well? What is it you watch football or rugby?
Bet Robert will be pleased to hear your opinion on his educational efforts in the 'magazine'.
Radio mmm quite a few personalities have gone on that.
So it seems it's down to my arse. Saw the comedian from the 'Royals' whose catch phrase that was and walked out.
However I am interested in a final explanation on how orthotics work, and the mud pie theory.
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Anyway, enough about me, tell us all about your contributions to the profession, Bob.
BTW, my game is rugby, you are welcome to join me on the pitch whenever you feel fit. -
Robert Golding, ladies and gentlemen. Lets hear it for him.
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Thanks Dr Spooner,
The debate has been edifying, but possibly we have now exhausted it mustn't bore the readers too much.
I really would like to know what the' meat pie' theory was (sorry about the mud bit too late for my aging brain) as I seem to remember lots of the EVA orthoses made at Uni resembled them, and the loyal old patients swore they worked, which ever shoe they put them in.
Have a very good day,
Bob Golding
PS Good discussion on the dropping of Chiropodist from the Society's title on the Society Forum, I think Craig may be interested in that.
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