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Plantars Wart. Best Remedy from Personal experience

Discussion in 'General Issues and Discussion Forum' started by Aikes, Feb 21, 2010.

  1. Aikes

    Aikes Welcome New Poster

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    No this isn't some sales pitch.

    This is all true and factual from personal experience.

    I went through a lot of treatments for this and found one very old doctor that happened to have a treatment no one else talked about at all. The treatment is Formaldehyde 20% solution. It is used by just putting a drop on the area twice a day. Without much pain at all the wart died and fell out of the healthy skin after a couple of weeks. This was a problem that I had dealt with for at least five years with several doctors and I was about to go through the surgery to remove the wart when my mother, of all people, told me about this treatment by a doctor for my younger sister.

    It is something extremely simple to make. It is called Formalin, which is a solution of Formaldehyde. This is very cheap, very easy, and for three years since using this treatment I have had no more trouble with the wart. Ask your doctor about this and if you are a medical student learn this. It works.

    I am sharing this because it took a long time to get to this solution. I went through a lot of pain and a lot of money to try to find a remedy. This is something that took relatively no time and relieved me of a lot of misery. Please use it and don't forget it.
  2. Dido

    Dido Active Member

    Hello Aikes,
    Thank you for sharing that.

    This just shows that "there is nothing new under the sun", as the old adage goes.
    When I was a teenager ( in the late 1960's) with a huge VP on the pad of my heel I was prescribed just such a treatment by my GP. The VP went in about 2 months. I never had another one.

    There is now a new VP treatment on the market that can be used safely by Diabetics. And guess what? It has formalin in it.

    The old ones are the best I say - bring back Burrow's Solution, Gentian Violet and Pyrogallol Ointment 60% - the latter would certainly make a VP sit up and take notice !!:D

  3. medisrch

    medisrch Active Member

    But pyrogallic acid was found to be carcinogenic!
  4. Paul Baalham

    Paul Baalham Member

    Hello Dido,

    Do you know the name of this treatment?

  5. Mr C.W.Kerans

    Mr C.W.Kerans Active Member

    I believe that Formaldehyde, or Formalin in solution form, was found to be carcinogenic. Pretty unpleasant stuff to handle and smell - used to preserve body parts in anatomy and pathology departments. It acts as a drying agent. A similar but milder application is GLUTAROL (10% glutaraldehyde solution), 10ml brown bottle with applicator, used twice daily with regular paring away of the surface of the lesion. No covering plaster necessary. It stains skin in use and white linens if spilled onto them by accident. Its a "long haul" treatment but a benign way of dealing with children's plantar warts in particular. It doesn't cause residual scarring.
  6. medisrch

    medisrch Active Member

    It does seem that 20% formaldehyde is the desired strength though. Gluterol excllent in mosaic warts but they are fairly shallow.

    Every little helps!
  7. David Widdowson

    David Widdowson Active Member

    I hope some one from USA can give me some information regarding a patient of mine who is self treating his warts with an american product called "Black Salve" which a friend of his brought it into the UK for him.
    He has used it once, as advised by the label, and he was left with a rather large hole in his foot and unable to walk for two days.
    He has promised not to use it again until I get some advice from some one who has experience of this solution.
    Needless to say it did not get rid of his warts. Also the instructions tell him to wash out the area with Hydrogen Peroxide and then re-apply the Black Salve.

    I have googled this product and I am unimpressed by the claims.

    Any views out there! PLEASE!
  8. Mr C.W.Kerans

    Mr C.W.Kerans Active Member

    Could be a formulation of AgNo3 - Silver Nitrate. "Black Salve" sounds similar to the "eschar" formed after Silver Nitrate interacts with skin protein.
  9. David Widdowson

    David Widdowson Active Member

    Thanks for that Mr Kerans but according to my patient it is made up of four herbs?
    Am still mystified.
  10. medisrch

    medisrch Active Member

    Possibly four herbs from Brixton?
  11. David Widdowson

    David Widdowson Active Member

    Sorry, err... over my head that one!
  12. footfan

    footfan Active Member

    Sounds like monochloroacetic acid which blasts a whole in the foot, horrible stuff that causes scarring and enormous pain , stay well away, HPV in the majority of cases self resolve in the Epidermis so why push it deeper into the dermis, look into the research for duck tape treatment, cheap easy and fun ...........unless it sticks to your sock =D
  13. Lab Guy

    Lab Guy Well-Known Member

    I was taught a long time ago in Podiatry school to never use Formaldehyde for plantar warts. Sure, it may work fine in eradicating the virus but you may end up sensitizing the patient to formaldehyde for life.

    So for me, I found the best treatment was to simply excise the wart to the level of the basement membrane using a sharp curette followed by a quick application of NAOH to destroy any remaining viruses within the BM. I would neutralize the NAOH with acetic acid. I would perform this treatment with mosaic warts as well. Commonly I would anesthetize the PT Nerve if many warts on the plantar surface. If on the heel, I would block the medial calcaneal nerve. If on the ball of the foot I would start my injection dorsally. I would never inject directly into the bottom of the foot or into the wart unless the area was already anesthetized.

  14. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member


  15. drsarbes

    drsarbes Well-Known Member


    The use of 10 or 20% formalin bid for VP has been around since London was covered by a glacier (OK, maybe that's a bit of exaggeration)

    BY FAR the BEST treatment is needling. Absolutely no debate needed.

  16. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    There's no Glacier left over London anymore Steve, it went all of its own accord even BEFORE the invention of 4X4 vehicles and all the other things that are credited to "global warming" :rolleyes:

    Got to agree with you there 110%

  17. R.E.G

    R.E.G Active Member

    Dr Arbes,

    It is enlightening to read your enthusiasm for the efficacy of 'needling' .

    As I still understand it it is not a technique taught in the UK schools of Pod.

    Therefore it has only recently surfaced in the UK following Dr Kirby's advocacy.

    I admit I had some reservations about the 'claims' and the underlying philosophy, but given the credibility of the advocates I have trialed the procedure.

    So far I have carefully chosen the 'guinea pigs' been truthful about my reservations in that I cannot find any research on the procedure so results are anecdotal and offered a 'money back guarantee'.

    I would be indebted if you or anyone else could point me to any 'Evidence based practice' which would allow me to offer the intervention with greater confidence.

    I think any conscientious Podiatrist has great concerns about treating Verruca, there are IMO no single 'best treatments' it often depends on the 'victim' and their 'attitude' to their infection.

  18. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    Ahh Soothsayer

    There are several practices ( mine included ) that are in the process of doing just that. Confidence may well be aligned to competence Bob:rolleyes:

    Steve Wells .Steve Arbes ( from the other side of the pond) along with Kevin Kirby I'm sure can give you the "evidence" you require ( read the relevant threads on the Arena http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showthread.php?t=25720&highlight=Mosaic Verruca) along with the pods that are doing the study with me in my practice, would I'm sure volunteer the required information( Their choice of course) if you can understand it:confused:

    Perhaps you should take note :wacko:

    No-one offered to work with you on this ???

    If not , just put everything "down" as usual , you know you will feel better if you do:bang:

    Last edited: Mar 10, 2010
  19. George Brandy

    George Brandy Active Member


    Your response to Bob is deliberately provocative. Why?

    He asks reasonable and reasoned questions.

    Will your research show that needling VPs is the best by 110% or will it show a limited success rate based on patient tolerance as suggested by Bob?

    Can you advise when Steve, Kevin, your good self and your unnamed Pod friends are expecting to publish the evidence?

    I am aware that there is a research project on the go regarding a much more efficient and less distressing treatment for VPs which has the backing of some large funds supporting the research. I shall wait for publication of both sets of evidence before making up my own mind up on success but rather like Bob I think before long there will be a VP treatment for every occasion based on pt assessment, diagnosis, tolerance and choice.

    So when did you become competent in giving LA DTT? Congratulations to you my good fellow; such a useful tool in modern Podiatry.

    Last edited: Mar 11, 2010
  20. cornmerchant

    cornmerchant Well-Known Member

    Before this thread is closed down I would like to say that the Brixton herbs comment was totally unwarranted and rascist.

    I agree with Bob regarding the needling- it is only a handful of pods using it at the moment, and of course , those without LA will not be able to use it at all so it is unlikely to become the treatment of choice for many. I have tried it but feel a little concerned that there is no published evidence- I am not sure how it would stand up in court were things to go wrong.

  21. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    Hi GB (beckham minus the golden :rolleyes:)

    Quid pro quo my dear chap

    sorry for the delay in the reply, very busy and had to proritise my time.

    Again Quid pro quo

    Patient tollerence ?? to what ? a virtually pain free procedure perhaps you need instruction in the methedology?

    I can only sayI have NEVER seen results at this level to promote a cascade effect on ALL lesions.

    Whenever they are ready I'm sure they will :cool:

    And that is????????

    Sorry George ,I was brought up on i/v canulation and administration of plasma substitutes and cardiac drugs,never bothered with the simple things :rolleyes:

    Never needed to cover a lack of clinical expertise by numbing and bodging :D

    But not as good as networking is it ?:D

    Last edited: Mar 17, 2010
  22. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member


    Why should the thread be shut down ?? all friends here:D

    I agree Herbs get a really bad press these days wherever they come from:rolleyes:


    Guessing is not the way forward CM and I think you should be whipped within an inch of your life for doing so ;)

    Ask G B (eckham) to defend you in court perhaps?? :D

  23. DAVOhorn

    DAVOhorn Well-Known Member

    Dear All,

    I find most of the comments on here disturbing and some advocating some bizarre t/t modalities which seem to be based on OLD WIVES TALES and worse.

    Silver Nitrate is an escharotic and therefor does not breakdown tissus so the black salve wont be AgNO3.

    Any concoction saying it is a mixture of 4 herbs sounds dodgy if you do not know what the herbs are!!!!

    Ever wondered why there are hundreds of t/t modalities for the humble VP?

    The reason is NONE OF THEM WORK.:deadhorse:

    If there was a single modality that hed credence and evidence to support its use it would be the only t/t used universally.:craig:

    The trouble is that Placebo works as well as anything in young children.:drinks

    I only use Cryo Therapy today and have done for over 15 years. Is it effective well the answer is YES and NO.

    This is the same as all VP t/t's.

    Certainly i WOULD NEVER deliberately set out to cause a massive tissue breakdown using some god awful keratolytic. I have seen too many adverse outcomes , some with permanent scarring, over the years.

    For most a wart is an inconvenience so why cause a massive breakdown.:butcher:

    Scar tissue is forever.

    This is an enduring topic and without a resolution, the only hope on the horizon is Gardasil . Trouble is is that so far evidence of its efficacy is anecdotal to the best of my knowledge.

    I have in the past told young kids to wish a VP away and hey it worked most times. The power of suggestion is a wonderful clinical tool.

    regards david
  24. DTT

    DTT Well-Known Member

    Hi Dave

    Have a look here

    http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showthread.php?t=25720&highlight=Mosaic Verruca

    There are some pods that are trialing the needling technique over here. My surgery is being used as a patient base as part of this trial.

    As I stated in my reply to Steve Arbes I agree 110% that this is the way forward.

    I have witnessed staggering results the like I personally have never seen before.

    I am involved in the patient tollerece part and we have got it down to minimal discomfort and as yet i have not has any evidence of post procedure scar tissue or any other issues for that matter.

    I am not easily impressed but this is something else IMHO.

    I understand after appropriate conclusion of the trial the results will be published.

  25. misriko

    misriko Member

    hi am new to this needling technique, what is actually involved? vps are a royal pain to treat and anything that has a chance of reducing the damn things is a plus. i ahve tried several of the 'therapeutic medicaments' with varying degrees of success. at present i currently use cryo applicator pens as this less time consuming and patients seem to be happier using this method with a saparate medicament to use at home.
  26. forumpa

    forumpa Welcome New Poster

    Could someone please clarify if the dose is 20% Formalin, or 20% Formaldehyde?
    (both were mentioned but aren't the same concentration).

  27. wdd

    wdd Well-Known Member

    "Political Correctness" is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

    I am sure I am geting the wrong end of the uhhhh stick but does the word "turd" refer to the disadvantaged or offended group of people and does "fostered and dilusional minority" refer to the same group?

  28. forumpa

    forumpa Welcome New Poster

    Could some clarify the dose? Formalin is 37% formaldehyde. Is the dose 20% formalin or 20% formaldehyde?
  29. forumpa

    forumpa Welcome New Poster

    Could some clarify the dose? Formalin is 37% formaldehyde. Is the dose 20% formalin or 20% formaldehyde?
  30. forumpa

    forumpa Welcome New Poster

    Could some clarify the dose? Formalin is 37% formaldehyde. Is the dose 20% formalin or 20% formaldehyde?
  31. Elizabeth Humble-Thomas

    Elizabeth Humble-Thomas Active Member

    The problem with something, pyrogallol, crystal violet, formaldehyde etc being classed as carcinogenic is often that, when you examine the evidence, it is only minutely carcinogenic in enormous or unusual quantities e.g. lab rats being fed on crystal violet laced food for many months, causing a few cancers. - thus calling into question the undoubted brilliance of it as a treatment for small tissue breakdowns, ulcers etc, often using only a couple of tiny spots of crystal violet...

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