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The Foot's Connection to Chronic Musculoskeletal Pain

Discussion in 'Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses' started by Brian A. Rothbart, Jul 31, 2013.

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  1. Brian A. Rothbart

    Brian A. Rothbart Well-Known Member

    Kevin,

    If you intend to challenge my research, get your facts straight first.

    The term I had used (almost exclusively) was retroverted, not prolapsed. If you are not familiar with the difference, check your gynecological dictionary. (hint - retroverted is a backward bending, prolapsed is a downward slipping).

    In all due respect, whether you accept the link between 'gravity driven' pronation and infertility or not, is irrelevant. The link exists and well recognized here in Europe.


    Professor Rothbart
     
  2. Griff

    Griff Moderator

    Brian

    I am in Europe. I can assure you it is not well recognised. It's hokum. End of story.
     
  3. blinda

    blinda MVP

    Yeup. Second that......and, of far more interest, any news yet, Ian?
     
  4. Brian A. Rothbart

    Brian A. Rothbart Well-Known Member

    Ian,

    Your assurances, may be well meaning, but misleasing. The link between the foot, how it functions and infertility is recognized here in Europe. (Google the 2009 Podology conference in France - I presented on the link between foot function and the position of the cranial bones)

    Below is a quote from David R. on a previous blog (SOT practitioner):

    "Proprioceptive insoles are neurological devices. They change the neurological input to the body from the feet. And this changed input has the effect of changing the position of the body and internal organs. That is because the body gets a more accurate picture of itself and where the different parts are.

    The proprioceptive system of the body has far reaching effects on the body. It effects all parts of the body. And Posture Control Insoles are specifically designed to correct an inaccurate proprioceptive input. This inaccurate input occurs from a incomplete growth pattern in the bones of the great toe.

    In SOT, we deal with the propriceptive input from the sacro iliac and the sutures of the skull. This complex is called a Category Two. In its most basic form it is a sacro iliac weight bearing ligament sprain or strain. This is now being called a "subclinical" sacro iliac lesion.

    SOT was researched and developed and taught by Dr. DeJarnette. In his writings on this subject, he says:

    "Catgegory Two has the ability to disturb more of all parts of man than can any other happening except a lethal blow to the skull or a chest wound. This Category Two comples directly deranges more proprioceptor systems than can any other human problem, except deep and lasting grief."

    The point is that any correction that a doctor can make to the proprioceptor system of the human body is of great benefit to the patient. And Posture Control Insoles are a devise designed to do just that, make a correction to the proprioceptor system. Correction of that system will improve any part of the body and could play a great role in getting a women pregnant. "


    Ian, FYI, In my opinion, orthotics are HoKum. End of story (as you so aptly state).

    There are no double blinded, evidence based publications that establish the biomechanical model (still taught in the Podiatric Schools) as valid or that forefoot varum exists (and not just an intellectual construct, or worse, a figment of one's imagination)? Yet, we as a profession (e.g., many of use), still operate/practice, accepting those premises as being valid.

    So my question is, how can we, as Podiatrists, embrace a concept which apparently has no factual basis, yet ignore a discipline (Podology) that offers great promise in resolving so many pain issues?

    Cheers,
    Professor Rothbart
     
  5. Griff

    Griff Moderator

    Bri,

    I'm afraid google did not help - this conference you speak of (and your talk within it) seemingly not on its radar. Relieved really as doubtful I'd have bothered reading it.

    Let me go on record as saying I believe that posture control insoles (PCIs) have a huge role to play in leg length equalisation and stabilisation. There's not a single wobbly table to date I have seen them fail to fix.

    IG
     
  6. Brian,
    I believe that no-one here takes you seriously for the reasons previously outlined and exemplified by your postings here. End of story.

    In a couple of weeks time I'm lecturing in Madrid. On the programme they list me as Prof. Spooner, which is what they call teachers in Spain and certain other countries of central Europe. Does this mean that I have a chair at that university and should start calling myself Professor Spooner- errrr, no. You wouldn't be trying to deceive people though would you Bri when you sign here as "professor"? Can you let us know which University you have a chair at and your qualifications in general? I heard allegations that you may have purchased a PhD and set yourself up in Europe after being banned from working as a podiatrist in certain states of the USA, but I don't believe these allegations. I'm sure you can clarify this? Do you hold a PhD? If so, what was your thesis on, which university did you obtain it from and where can I access a copy of it? Allegations suggest that it was the book company, or the orthotic company that wanted to sever their relationships with you, I forget which one? All of this has been discussed before on Podiatry Arena. As my colleague said:

    Finally, if you are unaware of the the research evidence regarding foot orthoses, their efficacy and their mode of action- you might need to start looking beyond your little world of pseudoscientific woo-woo.

    "WOO-WOO", said Thomas.
     
  7. Brian A. Rothbart

    Brian A. Rothbart Well-Known Member

    Dear Simon,

    You can access my bio on my research site (www.RothbartsFoot.es). You can see where I taught and where I earned my degrees.

    Regarding whether you take me seriously or not, that's your choice. However, I do have one suggestion for you. If you want people to take you seriously, start acting like a professional.

    Incidentally, I am very aware of the research on orthotics. My comments stand.

    Ian, very clever. Next wobbly table I see, I will test them (PCIs).

    Professor Rothbart
     
  8. But you didn't answer my question's Bri. The bio on your websie was, I assume, written by you. I'm guessing you chose to ameliorate this to make the best of your history. It would be more interesting if you could answer the questions I asked of you directly here, so that anyone unfamiliar with you can decide for themselves. Why did you loose your license to practice podiatry in certain states of the USA etc.. ? I'm guessing your bio on your website fails to mention many of the things that we alreay know regarding your professional history.

    Bri, the day I take advice from you regarding professional behaviour will be a cold day in hell.
     
  9. Brian A. Rothbart

    Brian A. Rothbart Well-Known Member

    Simon,

    I just read a blog posted by Donna Brazile, CNN. You might be well advised to take her advice:

    "Satire and mockery are part of 'politics'. Sometimes they attack not the 'policy' but the person, going from nuanced to nasty. But surely not "everything goes."

    We have to make our civic discourse civil again. We have to recognize that virtual violence masquerading as ridicule is vicious; it's a toxic atmosphere we allow by our silence."

    Just substitute Podiatry forum for politics; opinions for policy. You will get the point.

    By the way Simon, as I have said on numerous occasions, my experiences in the United States (and all your questions) are well discussed in my book - Forever Free From Chronic Pain. It's there for the world (and you) to read.

    Professor Rothbart
     
  10. Bri, let the viewer be the judge. Like I said- answer my questions: why did you loose your license to practice in certain states of the USA; where do you hold a chair; where can I read your PhD thesis; why did that company wish to legally disassociate themselves from you etc. etc. etc.?

    Don't try to play the Mr. Clean card, you are anything but.

    Let's start with the "Professor Rothbart" signature- where do you hold a chair? I'm guessing that you are not a "professor" as would be defined in the UK, USA, Australasia etc, but rather you are a "professor" in terms of the interpretation of the italian word for teacher/ lecturer- tell me I'm wrong. Please explain to the reader here exactly why you are entitled to use the title "professor" here on this forum and then explain the difference in how this title is bestowed in Italy compared to differing countries such as the UK, USA, Australia, etc.

    R.I.P. Jon Brookes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhSA8FwdS2A
    The only one I know, has come to take me away
    The only one I know, is mine when she stitches me
    The only one I see, has found an aching in me
    The only one I see, has turned her tongue into me

    Everyone has been burned before, everybody knows the pain

    The only one I know, never cries, never open her eyes
    The only one I know, wide awake and then she's away
    The only one I see, is mine when she walks down our street
    The only one I see, has carved her way in to me

    Everyone has been burned before, everybody knows the pain
    Everyone has been burned before, everybody knows the pain

    Everyone has been burned before, everybody knows the pain
    Everyone has been burned before, everybody knows the pain
     
  11. Brian A. Rothbart

    Brian A. Rothbart Well-Known Member

  12. Waste of time, Simon. He's not worth arguing with; simply another w@nker who has jumped on the bandwagon of exploitation that is the commercial internet and is not worth the effort. No doubt he enjoys the exposure, even though most others would have jumped off Beachy Head by now or retreated, cowering in the dark corner of embarrassment and humiliation. That he seeks adulation and infamy is enough in my book to earn the moniker of scum. No doubt those more eloquent will coin another title.

    All the best
     
  13. He's everything I "disadmire" in podiatry.
     
  14. admin

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