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Another 'Needling' Thread! Agreed Name?

Discussion in 'General Issues and Discussion Forum' started by cperrin, Apr 7, 2011.


Name given to VP Needling treatment?

  1. Falknor needling technique

    11 vote(s)
  2. verrucae plantaris needling technique

    5 vote(s)
  3. Controlled Intrademal Viral Therapy

    1 vote(s)
  4. Percutaneous Immune Stimulation

    6 vote(s)
  5. Other (please state)

    1 vote(s)
  1. cperrin

    cperrin Active Member

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    Once again another thread on 'needling'.

    I will be going over this technique and theory to a number of colleagues in a few weeks time but was wondering if there has been an agreed name for the procedure instead of 'needling'. I have seen a few different ones dotted about, is there one that people prefer more than others?

    Thanks for the help


    Chris P
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  3. drsarbes

    drsarbes Well-Known Member

    "Falknor needling technique"

    Give the man some credit!

  4. cryo

    cryo Welcome New Poster

    Saw this name on another website and I like it.

    Subcutaneous Verruca Pedis Infiltration (SVPI) for short.
  5. I think that the "needling technique" or "verrucae plantaris needling technique" are the best terms.
  6. Intra Viral Fractionalisation or IVF ;)
  7. cperrin

    cperrin Active Member

    I have added a poll to this thread to see which one, if any is prefered by the PA community.
    Although I think IVF gets the blue peter badge!
  8. twirly

    twirly Well-Known Member


    I'm with Steve.

    Regards, Mandy
  9. What's wrong with IVF??? Would really like to read Falknor's paper - could some kind soul email or PM me a copy please?
  10. cperrin

    cperrin Active Member


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  11. drsarbes

    drsarbes Well-Known Member

    he may have spelled his name "Faulkner"
    sorry for any confusion.
  12. cperrin

    cperrin Active Member

    His paper spells it Falknor so your out of the woods!:drinks
  13. But are you?
  14. cperrin

    cperrin Active Member

    :bash: Touche Mr Russell, Touche!
  15. Errr. The original author gave it a name, the clue is in the title of his paper "Needling". He spoke about it first, that's what he chose to call it, viz. it's called "needling". End of story. "I think what Falknor meant to call it was..." No , he called it needling. "But don't you think that it should be called..." No, he called it needling. "But he deserves some credit.." No, he called it needling.

    Kevin called the medial heel skive technique, the "medial heel skive technique". Hence, that's what it is called. "But, I think what Kevin meant to call it was the Kirby Skive". No, he called it the medial heel skive technique.

    I've never been that confident to presume that the original author and inventor of something might not have called it what he wanted to call it. But hey, "some people got way too much confidence, baby".

    Best wishes,
    Simon (calling it as I see it)

    P.S. your poll shows a bias- where's the "needling" option? Since this is what the original author called it, you might have thought it'd be in your list? But no...
  16. Agreed. But for some patients the term may well fuel fears and give undue apprehension where they exhibit a needle phobia - so in this case I think it might be arguable that it would be best to provide a more apposite alternative for public consumption.
  17. Call it fisticum then.;) I think in order for the public to consume it, you're going to need to describe it: "I will repeatedly insert a sharp, slender metal rod into the wart". Patient: "what's a sharp, slender metal rod look like?" Like this. Patient: "a needle then?" Yeah. That'll be the one. Patient: "I've got a phobia of needles". Don't worry, this is called fisticum, it's different. Patient: "looks like a ****ing needle to me". Yeah, we just wanted to make it more palatable for public consumption, so we renamed it. Patient: "it's still a ****ing needle."

    This used to be called "arsenic", but now it's called "drink-me", sales have gone through the roof since we re-branded it.
  18. P.S. I saw Dr Rosemary (boy, is she an irritant) on BBC breakfast news this morning talking about childhood obesity and saying that Dr's shouldn't be telling children or their parents that they are over-weight / fat / obese. Yeah........ look it say what it is... It's a fat kid. I'm with Del. That'll be me not believing that you can pick up a turd by the clean end, either.

    Worlds gone mad.

    It's a needle, I'm going to repeatedly stick it into you- we call this technique "needling". Look at it, say what it is.... I've recently undergone a sharp, slender metal rodding to treat my lesion caused by the human papilloma virus. K. You've had your wart needled then. No, I live in Richmond.
  19. I like it - fisticum it is. And can we rename haematoma while we're at it as it's too close to haemophilia. Skinjizz??
  20. That's already called "wanklespurt" as well you know.
  21. I really don't see the need to put the author's name in front of such a technique. I previously called it "the multiple puncture technique" since I had forgotten what Falknor had originally called it. But, like Simon said, when I reread the paper, and saw that Falknor called it "needling", I thought it would be best to continue calling it what the orginal author called it. I think we at least owe him that respect.
  22. That depends where you're coming from....
  23. The black country.
  24. Near the Black Forest? Either way, quite an admirable effort...
  25. cperrin

    cperrin Active Member

    I think the main problem people had with the plain term 'needling' was that it has mainly become associated with acupuncture and especially with patients googling everything that is said to them these days it could end up causing some confusion.

    I think by making slight adjustments to the original term coined by the author such as 'verrucae plantaris needling technique' one of the option suggested by kevin, just makes it that tad clearer.

    Although I agree with why people would just want to call it needling, and if thats what they advertised it as, its not exactly going to bring the whole profession crashing to its knees :D
  26. footfan

    footfan Active Member

    The Black Country is in the west midlands (Dudley) and surrounding areas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Country. Im going to call it the Falknor Needling Technique just as I prescribe Kirby Skives and Blake inverted orthoses (its what is officially written on our prescription forms within the NHS) =P
  27. Interesting question. It always seems slightly presumptuous to me to name something after yourself (Rothbarts foot for example). That said there are many things in podiatry which now carry eponymous names.

    I rather doubt that I would find the term "Rootian Biomechanics" in any of the writings of root, orien and weed, although it is now accepted terminolgy. Likewise if I polled my colleagues I suspect more would have heard of the Kirby skive than the Medial heel skive.

    Perhaps the honour of an eponymous name is one which is best confered by ones colleagues rather than self bestowed....

    Anyway, best go, can't be spending too long on Payne's site.
  28. Thanks for the enlightenment. I new it was in the West Midlands but just assumed it was around Handsworth. Once had a very good beer at the Pie Factory.....
  29. Mad O Rourks. A wonderful experience.
  30. drsarbes

    drsarbes Well-Known Member

    How unfair of all the authors on this thread not to want to give the original author of the needling technique credit????
    How many medical terms denote the original authors name (although very few - if any- actually called it my his own name). These names (anatomic, surgical, pathological, etc....) are given out of respect for those who originally described it.

    On the other side of the debate....a rose by any other name.....

  31. Is that where the black country is? Thanks Footfan. Never ever been anywhere near there myself- full of weirdo's or so I've heard.


    Among others.
  32. blinda

    blinda MVP

    Our Mr Smith thought so, eh Dave?

    Ah, just realised what the previous post said...not implying anything Dave, really :eek:
  33. footfan

    footfan Active Member

    Sawdust in your pie, where is health and safety on that one!!
  34. And who cares!!

    Its nice to see there is still somewhere I can get a mixed grill served to me on a coal shovel.

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