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Measuring Connective Tissue / Fascia ?

Discussion in 'General Issues and Discussion Forum' started by helena h, Feb 27, 2009.

  1. helena h

    helena h Member

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    Are there any current forms of biomechnical evaluation available that could effectively capture or measure any disparencies in connective tissue / fasica ?

    By disparencies I mean unusual patterns of weakness that are not specifically realted to foot or knee problems, but perhaps other areas such as well i.e. pelvis , neck as well.


  2. Greg Fyfe

    Greg Fyfe Active Member

    I'm not sure weather your looking for somthing to measure discrepancies in fascia or more along the lines of clinical examination.

    If you havent looked already I'd suggest you might find resources on trigger points, myofascial release etc useful.

    Travell and Simons ( sp?) authored a text on trigger points and referral patterns

    Possibly also a book on muscle trains, might have something also . Sorry I don't have the title on hand.

  3. How do you measure weakness in an inert tissue in vivo?
  4. David Smith

    David Smith Well-Known Member

    By disparancies do you mean disparity i.e. lack of equality or differences.

    There are clinical tests that might indicate bilateral differences in tissue stiffness.
    EG single leg raise.
    Is this what you mean? It would be very difficult to measure tissue stiffness in vivo. Why do you ask?

    Dave Smith

  5. helena h

    helena h Member

    Yes it would be be very difficult , in fact probably impossible , aside from perhaps one test I've read about.

    I'm asking as someone with interest ,and as a patient or rather an unfortunate victim of a treatment considered " quackery ", thats has left me with no means to prove it ( for this very reason ) and the usual sort of sceptisism reserved for anything that does not fit into the rational.

    I'm also asking because podiatrist I spoke too advised me to come here - hoping someone else , after listening to me , might be able to help.


  6. David Wedemeyer

    David Wedemeyer Well-Known Member

    Helen I won't reprimand you because you seem sincere and in search of an answer to your query, but take note that this is a professional forum and not for the purpose of answering public inquiries from patients.

    That said I have your posts about cranial osteopathy and fascia. It appears as though you have endured some form of traditional osteopathic technique and are unhappy with the results?

    I can tell you that there are orthopedic examination procedures that target specific muscles, tendons, ligaments and joints but they do not specifically address fascia. Fascia is a hotly disputed subject as a primary cause of dysfunction but the fascia is contiguous in planes throughout the body and as a connective tissue provides support and a gliding surface for muscles adjacent to one another. I am personally more inclined to believe that muscles cause the pain associated with trigger points as they are highly innervated and vascular where connective tissues are not.

    You are correct that there is no methodology currently to either prove or disprove benefit on the fascia from traditional osteopathic treatment. Less than 5% of osteopathic physicians in the U.S. practice traditional osteopathy, cranial technique etc. and have abandoned Still's original hypotheses to become allopathic providers. This does not convict osteopathic technique as 'quackery' but as other competing fields became more organized, recognized and effective, traditional osteopathy went into decline in usage.

    Interestingly enough I do have a DO across the street from my practice who is a traditional osteopath. He is well respected and well known in my area and I feel that for those patients who desire that approach he fills a unique need in the market. Personally I have had osteopathic manipulation and found it quite enjoyable but found some of the claims and basis of the art difficult to prove clinically. Patients who do accept it as a primary form of treatment seem to swear by it while others dismiss it entirely.
  7. helena h

    helena h Member

    I had a treatment called NCR that crippled me , not immediately, but on account of how it seemingly affected my cranium and then the rest of my body over period of time .

    This was in turn made worse by the medical profession whom of course , given the treatment itself is not well known , simply refused to acknowledge my symptoms as probable and forced me to ambient - which in turn caused further damage .

    Hence why I have invested much time searching for a way I could not only get this bio mechanically assessed but a way round the scepticism that’s prevalent whenever I try to find leads ( on forums ) or elsewhere.

    Having said that I do / have correspond with 2 professors in the field lately who have ( off the record ) agreed with me and are even considering one of my own ideas for measuring / testing tissue - both are involved with the international fascia congress that takes place yearly.

    Do you mean imaging by procedures or something else ?

    Even if I could prove the sort of weakness I suspect exists through ligaments or tendons I would still need to find a way of proving or showing how it relates to the cranium / rest of the body to backup what I'm saying .

    The force and the affect of that force or better term " torque " I experience through my body whenever I attempt to stand was something I thought I might be able to capture through pressure plate - hence how I ended up talking to a podiatrist and coming here .

    Of course the only problem being that I would have to sacrifice myself voluntarily to do it ( something Id be willing to do ) if I knew I had chance it might work.

    Have you read this ?


    Thank for replying

  8. David Wedemeyer

    David Wedemeyer Well-Known Member

    Helena I responded on the "cranial osteopathy & quackery ?" thread.

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