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Mid 20's Biomechanics Road Block (or so it's called)

Discussion in 'Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses' started by Kerrie, Jan 20, 2012.

  1. Kerrie

    Kerrie Active Member

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    Hi All,
    Wondering if anyone can help me with this little issue that I seem to be having at the moment and all ideas and suggestions are welcome.
    I have (accoarding to a senior clinician) reached what is called the 'mid 20's biomechanics road block' (i hadn't heard of it either), this in laymens terms is apparently I have all the enthusiasm to progress in this field but currently I do not have the experience because I haven't been in the job long enough and this is something that will take me years to develop :( :boohoo:
    Whilst I undderstand what the clinician is saying those of you that know me on here will know that I am fiercely ambitious and this just does not sit well with me, I'm not the kind of person that sits around and waits for 'experience' to occur I want to go out and get it. I'm REALLY into my biomechanics you see
    So, I guess what I am after is advice for a 23 year old who wants to get as much experience as she can in Biomechanics so that I can develop at the throttling speed I want to (another thing I got told in my appraisal was I need to calm the enthusiasm ;))
    I currently do bio day in day out at work, work as bio pod in private clinic at eveningS and weekends and also work with some local rugby teams etc but if anyone has any other suggestions please let me know
    I may only be little but I have a BIG interest :drinks
    Cheers All, Take it Easy!!!!!
  2. She does. She really does ;)

    You could always give yourself a research project to do...

    Or give me a call sometime and you can come spend some more time with me if you like. I'd be happy to assess where you are and see if I can give you some directed learning.
  3. Read


    and More reading

    but manly don´t worry about the grump fart who said you hit a road block - sounds like a good way to try and make themselves a bit superior.

    If you have all the up to date theoretical knowledge and have the ability to transfer the knowledge into patients ( this is the key) does not matter how old you are or how long you have been doing to job.

    Sure it sometimes helps but too many get stuck in their ways and develop their own dogma.

    go get em
  4. Kerrie

    Kerrie Active Member

    That would be fabulous!!! I'll definitely hit you up for that! You're only down the road. Plus you're quite good on the paeds side am I correct? I'm thinking bowt doing a PGCert in that next year or sports rehab, I wanna do them both but it is the money and time issue

    Mike, you are dead right there I think, I kind of got the talk of "you're only 23 you're not going to become an expert in the next couple years" I think he was more talking in terms of me being a band 7 but still it would be nice ;)
  5. timharmey

    timharmey Active Member

    I think in can be useful to see how Physio's /osteopath's approach problems and their clinical reasoning
  6. Kerrie:

    Let's see.........when I was 23....... I was just starting my sophomore year of podiatry school and John Weed and Ron Valmassy were teaching me biomechanics. I had just started to see real-live patients. I was young and eager to learn. I was in the best running shape of my life and took 2nd place in the Sacramento marathon with a time of 2:28. I had lots of hair, weighed about 25 pounds less than I do know, had no grey hair, no wrinkles and I had just married my lovely bride of 31 years. In addition, I knew practically nothing about biomechanics and treating mechanically-based injuries of the foot and lower extremity.

    If someone had told me at that time that I had hit some imaginary"road block" that they dreamed up, I would have told them that they were certainly mistaken. I would have told them to get out of my way! because I had much, much more to learn and had just started the process of being a good podiatrist. The world was an open book to me and I wasn't going to let anything interfere with my goal of maximizing my education and learn as much as I could about biomechanics and sports injuries.

    Therefore, 23 was definitely not a road block for me. I had just started the race and was just started to accelerate toward my cruising speed.

    In other words, don't let the people with dark clouds hanging over their heads prevent you from being exposed to the bright light of increased knowledge.
  7. There. Say thank you to the nice legend-of-modern-biomechanics kerrie.:D;)

    At 23 I'd been qualified a couple years and was being mentored by the extraordinary steve Lassiter. My lab work was shockingly poor and I had no real concept of what a moment was.

    You are sooooo far ahead of that already!!

    I'll email you dome dates I'll be at the high dependancy paeds clinic.

    (Also I'm experimenting with using tens across nerves rather than on muscle bellies and i need a victim to practice on.)
  8. At 23 I was working toward my PhD and I wanted to be like Tim Kilmartin. He was into this at the time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dGYXGnSeBM

    I had just read Phillips and then Kirby....... And they sang to me...

    And then..


    "I need to be myself
    I can't be no one else
    I'm feeling supersonic
    Give me gin and tonic

    You can have it all but how much do you want it?
    You make me laugh
    Give me your autograph
    Can I ride with you in your BMW ?

    You can sail with me in my yellow submarine
    You need to find out
    Cause no one's gonna tell you what I'm on about
    You need to find a way for what you want to say

    But before tomorrow
    Cause my friend said he'd take you home
    He sits in a corner all alone
    He lives under a waterfall

    No body can see him
    No body can ever hear him call
    You need to be yourself
    You can't be no one else

    I know a girl called Elsa
    She's into Alka Seltzer
    She sniffs it through a cane on a supersonic train
    She made me laugh

    I got her autograph
    She done it with a doctor on a helicopter
    She's sniffin in her tissue
    Sellin' the Big Issue

    She needs to find out
    Cause no one's gonna tell you what I'm on about
    She needs to find a way for what you want to say
    But before tomorrow

    Cause my friend said he'd take you home
    He sits in a corner all alone
    He lives under a waterfall
    No body can see him...."

    Oasis- supersonic

    Not chosen at random, Kerrie. Be yourself. But be the best you can be, Kerrie. Work hard, play even harder. You won't be 23 for ever. Next....

    Nothing new under the sun, it's all been said before:
    "Don't follow leaders
    Watch the parkin' meters."
  9. You sure?;):drinks

    I saw the pictures of you back then and you must have been pushin' 11 stone when ringing wet.:morning:

    In fact, I could probably bench more than you weighed back then...

    Next time we all get together we need to see if we can bench Kevin at his current weight (since he's all grown up now with grey hair and wrinkles; and man, we all know how they weigh you down).
  10. Here I am at age 22, 155 pounds, in the 1979 Boston Marathon.
  11. Ian Linane

    Ian Linane Well-Known Member

    Okay, so Kevin is now the official opening pin up on on a Podiatry Arena calendar :0
  12. Kerrie

    Kerrie Active Member

    Thank you all so much! I now feel really positive about it all!!!
  13. efuller

    efuller MVP

    Part of the road block for some comes from an incomplete understanding of what has been taught. Or another way of looking at it is that what has been taught is not completely understood. Sometimes the subject can not be completely understood because there are internal inconsistencies. When I was a student, many fellow students felt like they did not understand biomechanics even though they got good grades in the subject. I believe this happened because the material being taught did not fully make sense. There were some good observations, and some practical things that worked, but when you looked closely it did not make sense. The road block comes because you see your instructors believing what they teach, but the student can't grasp it. I remember going back to an instructor three times to explain the same concept. I tried to work it through afterwards on my own and it never made sense. However, the instructor was so convincing. I feel that many, just don't try and work through the things that don't make sense to them. The get around this roadblock, by just accepting what they were taught and ignoring the inconsistencies. The unfortunate result is that this way of coping with the "roadblock" leaves blind spots. These blind spots are areas of knowledge where you don't know what you don't know.

    I was really into biomehcanics because I liked taking things apart and seeing how they worked. To truly understand something, you have to do this for yourself. You can't just parrot back what you are told. You have to verify for yourself that something is true and you have to know why it is true. You also have to be able to identify what would change your mind on what you believe is true. A lot of people who have overcome the roadblock, their acceptance of explanations that are not true, become entrenched and are hard to change.

    Kerrie, keep questioning and keep the hunger for knowledge.

  14. Peter

    Peter Well-Known Member

    if somebody had told me to curb my enthusiasm at 23, and I had had the stupidity to have listened, I wouldn't be here now.

    Don't take your foot off the gas, and keep running
  15. Griff

    Griff Moderator

    Do one of these: http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showpost.php?p=238257&postcount=5

    Go to lots of these: http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/forumdisplay.php?f=8

    This year, don't miss this: http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showthread.php?t=69362
  16. RobinP

    RobinP Well-Known Member

    I'm interested Kerrie. What is the road block? Ok so you are having some sort of critical appraisal and he/she says to you what?

    Do you feel as if you are not acheiving the results you want or are you not able to get past a certain theory/paradigm in biomechanics(I'm still struggling with leg stiffness)

    Or is your superior simply saying that you are concentrating too heavily on biomechanics when you should be gaining practical experience of everything?

    Not having experience does not mean that you cannot apply sound biomechanical principles so don't back off just because you lack experience. Strive even harder to get that experience and the reading and application of principles will start to make much more sense.

    Good luck

  17. markjohconley

    markjohconley Well-Known Member

    I won the "Iron Stomach" race at University of NSW in 72 and 73 One had to run from the bottom of the campus to finish at the top on the library lawn, stopping along the way, every 300 metres or so, to ingest a bottle of (varying beverages eg. beer, milk) and a tasty morsel (eg. cream buns filled with oysters, chocolate coated boiled eggs). Vomiting, if noted, was an automatic disqualification. In 73, they gave us a raw sausage and a piece of barbed wire at the beginning, to be used at the end to barbeque and eat. I remember a few of the lesser competitors ate it raw, low-life! I thought the sausage would interfere with my eating along the course so I placed it in my budgie-smugglers, when I shoved my hand in and pulled it out at the end to shove on my barb wire the crowd of 1000 onlooking students, appreciative of tactical nouse, gave a tumultous roar of approval.
    But alas no photos.
  18. Kerrie

    Kerrie Active Member

    Robin, basically what was said to me was that I need to calm my enthusiasm for Biomechanics and accept the fact that I'm not going to be a modern patron or miracle for the profession over night. I'll admit I am heavily focused on Biomechanics as it has interested my from a very young age in different ways (my dad is a structural engineer, I was taught the principles of racking at 5 with lego ;) haha). I think I was just being told to maybe look into other areas as well but that I need to get the experience to really develop in the field :S
    I was confused, came out a little deflated in all honesty
    BUT...on the bright side, I have just registered for work experience observing paediatric foot surgery at Great Ormond Street and to observe adult foot surgery and rehab etc at london orthopaedic hospital, also got a place on the rnoh vitamin D conference on bone and MSK problems in children with the deficency so like to think I'm putting myself out there :)
  19. David Wedemeyer

    David Wedemeyer Well-Known Member

    Man vs. Food should change the name and theme of the show and present Mark the Gastronomic Evil Knievel to a gasping populous! Sorry Kerri not to hijack but Mark's post really made me laugh thinking of all of the stupid dare stunts I did in my youth.

    A lot of others have encouraged you to foster your interest in biomechanics and take the high road. I've found the road less traveled quite pleasing myself and a keen interest in anything that will produce better clincial skills and outcomes for your patients is not time wasted. Having Robert there to mentor you is huge, take advantage. I say go for it, the status quo is overrated! ;)

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