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Anti-pronation insoles

Discussion in 'Biomechanics, Sports and Foot orthoses' started by Griff, Mar 11, 2010.

  1. Griff

    Griff Moderator


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    Has anyone come across these insoles from Science 26? (Presumably a reference to the 26 foot bones?) If so:

    (a) Are they just the Salford insole rebranded? (They look the same, use the same marketing guff, and there is reference to Salford Uni on the site)
    (b) Any idea where we can see the research/proof of their mode of action?

    Ian
     
  2. Yeah, they look the same, no doubt smell the same and resist the addition of modifications via adhesives the same. (I tried various adhesives on the Salford, everything slipped and moved on em- they greasy man!).

    I think a re-branding might be the way forward for the Salford insole- whoever thought the word "Salford" was good to use....I've been to Salford BTW and I'm from Wolverhampton, say no more!
     
  3. markjohconley

    markjohconley Well-Known Member

    good morning Ian, why not 28?
     
  4. Indeed.

    P.S. glad to see the sponsored link I got on this thread was for a dating agency. I love advertising me.
     
  5. Griff

    Griff Moderator

    G'day Mark,

    I'm with you - I prefer to include the sesamoids. It was a guess on my part as to the reason behind the name (I may be way off of course and it may just be the MD's favourite number... Who knows).

    Either way I agree that if they are rebranding the Salford insole then 'Science 26' certainly sounds groovier. You can't polish a turd - but you can roll it in glitter...
     
  6. Sammo

    Sammo Active Member

    :D great line...

    Gotta find somewhere to us it now!
     
  7. G Flanagan

    G Flanagan Active Member

    Simon,

    I lecture at Salford every now and then and Phil Laxton (one of the pod's involved in its development) informed me that there are now modifications and adhesives for the salford insole.

    Seems to me science 26 (i also prefer 28!) is the public commercial branding ie available to the public, whereas the salford insole is only for professionals??:dizzy:
     
  8. Griff

    Griff Moderator

    George,

    Any idea where we can see the research regarding the claims? (And could you ask Phil if thats the real reason its called science 26 too please!)

    Cheers

    Ian
     
  9. G Flanagan

    G Flanagan Active Member

    Ha will do!

    evidence?? i shall ask Phil next time i'm there. This is his baby

    Could i just say that i am in no way promoting the salfords, just letting simon know there are some additions.
     
  10. Personally I hate prefab's that you need to purchase specific additions for and can't just use some eva wedging strip on. Why do they smell like cyanide? Rhetoric.
     
  11. Ella Hurrell

    Ella Hurrell Active Member

    I have been contact by Salford Uni a few times about using these but each person that has phoned me has been unable to answer my questions as to the insole's mode of action/research behind them etc. They were more than happy to tell me how wonderful the insole was for "diabetics and rheumatoids" but without telling me why or how etc. I gave up in the end for lack of decent information.
     
  12. robby

    robby Active Member

    at a recent major UK conference I overheard a delegate make the comment to a member of staff on the Salford Insole stand that :" of course they will work they are just an arch support" the member of staff answered " yes thats exactly right"
     
  13. Yeah I Had that a few times. Kept telling me Chris Nester designed them and that ALL the COOL NHS trusts were ordering them. As it says in their website

    I feel left out, saddened and excluded. Sniff.

    There certainly is! You'll like this ian. Right up your street. From the website...

    And here IS that research project. (I wish I could watch you read it.)

    http://www.salfordinsole.co.uk/docs/salfordinsoleresearch.pdf

    Its a real Doozy. The only mystery is why Japma hasn't snaffled it up yet. :confused: As research projects go its supurb. It has "testimonials" in it :bash:

    Here is my favourite bit

    [​IMG]
    Must be the prettiest graph I've ever seen. Eliminates pronation. All of it. To a perfect 0 degrees heel eversion at maximal pronation. Exactly. To the nearest 0.0somanyzerosyoucan'tseeitonthegraph degrees. Remarkable! Some might say suspiciously so. If they were cynical.

    The thing that scares me is that this is obviously written for consumption by professionals. Are there really podiatrists, ANY podiatrists out there who will read that and think "by giminie, its been scientifically proven" and rush out to bulk buy them?

    Regards
    Robert
     
  14. Griff

    Griff Moderator

    Yes...
     
  15. Griff

    Griff Moderator

    Just took another look at this graph. Is the line a representation of the average of all the participants of the study? If so makes that zero degrees even more amazing! If not (and it is data from only one subject) then given the known variable/subject specific kinematic responses to foot orthoses it seems a bit inappropriate using it as a marketing tool for the devices as a whole?
     
  16. Ian Drakard

    Ian Drakard Active Member



    The samples I picked up at conferences are the last thing I'd give to most of my diabetic/rheumatoid patients. Can't even do mods on them as Simon says.

    I grabbed a couple of free pairs thinking they'd be useful to try out and still have them on my shelf if anybody wants them. Don't all rush ;)
     
  17. There's an idea for a thread. 101 uses for unwanted pre fab samples. :rolleyes:

    Don't get me wrong, its a perfectly nice pre fab. I just don't see what it has that a garden variety interpod or vasyli does'nt. Plus it can't be modified and EVA can.
     
  18. Ella Hurrell

    Ella Hurrell Active Member

    Neither do I, and we're still waiting for an answer from Salford as to their take on the matter. I too have some in the cupboard if anyone has a novel use for them - they might make nice flippers for snorkelling?:D
     
  19. Griff

    Griff Moderator

    George - any word from your mate Phil @ Salford? Be great if he'd come on and discuss it with us.
     
  20. Charlotte Darbyshire

    Charlotte Darbyshire Active Member

    I have been approach by one of their marketing team based in the Midlands. I have a meeting with them today.

    I will approach some of the questions raised in the above posts. It should have quite an interesting outcome.
     
  21. G Flanagan

    G Flanagan Active Member

    Ian, i only just noted your question to me following Charlotte's recent post.

    I totally forgot to chat to him about this, however (almost a year later) i'll ask him when im back in teaching.

    Sorry

    George
     
  22. Ask em about the graph. Why is the "normal" line so different from the mcpoil and cornwall data, how does it reposition the foot so effectively in mid air and is the 0 degrees trough not just a wee bit sus. And do they really make the functional range entirely inverted?
     
  23. Charlotte Darbyshire

    Charlotte Darbyshire Active Member

    Hi

    just finished the meeting with the representatives of Salford Insole. It would appear they have taken on board the comments made with reference to the graph featured in their supporting literature.

    The graph represents the average / mean sample of symptomatic participants ~60. who participated in the test findings. The other points raised about the graph they have took on board and will update once they have the information from the university.

    The only comments made with reference to the testing was that some of the data found only a positive response to the left side orthotic in the trial - with association to fit and the comfort of the device. This was then replicated / mirrored to produce the right side device.

    They do not pitch the product as a one stop shop. But it can be utilised for certain foot lower limb pathologies. They mention the current findings in relation to the lateral wedge device and medial knee joint OA. This appears to have more evidence to support their product (soon to be published).

    Will keep you posted
     
  24. Call me a cynic, but I simply don't believe that data.

    As a good friend of mine likes to say, "look at it, say what it is."
    Look forward to that with baited breath.
     
  25. Ian Drakard

    Ian Drakard Active Member

    Yeah it's amazing how that average of 60 patients touches so neatly on the 0 line.

    As to the point about lateral wedging for knee OA, I just dragged a pair of them out the cupboard (the same pair I had last year), and they are dead flat along lateral area- no lateral wedging and not even a lateral arch (surprised you don't like them Robert ;) ) So presumably they are talking about sticking a lateral wedge onto them, like you can do more easily with any other OTC insole?
     
  26. robby

    robby Active Member

    was on the salford insole website this morning, still no published evidence, and the research data on the site is still the same graph as before.

    no reference to any papers on the site, just says awaiting publication (2010) now in 2011 and still not published. maybe no-one wants it!
     
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