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Podiatry listing in Wikipedia

Discussion in 'General Issues and Discussion Forum' started by LuckyLisfranc, Jan 30, 2007.

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  1. LuckyLisfranc

    LuckyLisfranc Well-Known Member

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    Dear all

    Mention of "Wikipedia" on another thread (Biomechanical Challenges...), reminded me of my ongoing struggle to edit the Podiatry entry in Wikipedia.

    Numerous times have I tried to improve the accuracy of the 'Australia' entry, particularly to remove the term "Schools of Podiatry Technicians". Each time I do this, a day later it is back to this same description. :mad:

    Personally I am quite unimpressed by some of the USA-centric attitudes displayed in this entry (with reference to other countries where podiatry is practiced), so would be interested to hear of others opinions or frustrations in trying to edit the content of this popular online reference tool.

  2. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    I have seen that listing - maybe it need to be raised in their internal forums.
    This is not only a problem at Wikipedia, but here at Podiatry Arena as well. Just look at how many DPM's from the USA have been banned here for their attitudes and offensive behaviour. More than half of them are from Ontario ....says it all.

    Here is the entry under Australia:
    What ignorance and arrogance!
  3. DaVinci

    DaVinci Well-Known Member

    This funny. Someone has taken note already and posted this at Wikipedia:
  4. LuckyLisfranc

    LuckyLisfranc Well-Known Member

    Yes, I hope to encourage other passionate Podiatry Arena-philes (particularly those outside of the USA) to visit this site to work on improve its accuracy.

    There are just outright fictitious damn lies on here. And this is what the public will often turn to as a source of quasi-credible information.

    (I'm also suspicious parts of the historical content has probably been plaigarised from some of Cameron's work).

  5. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    I probably should qualify that by also adding I am well aware that those with that attitude are in the minority. Most are respectful and understand Podiatry in other countries rather than adopt the condescending approach.
  6. Scorpio622

    Scorpio622 Active Member

  7. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member


    Sorry, I should have been clearer. A number of DPM's from Ontario, which I know is in Canada, have been banned from here for being offensive. Most of it has to do with the podiatry/chiropody political situation in Ontario. All of them got there DPM's from the USA (which is what I should have made clearer). The offensive attitude displayed by them, is mirrored in the Wikipedia article when they write about podiatry in countries outside the USA (eg why do they call the Podiatry schools on Australia, and elsewhere, "School's of Podiatry Technicians" if they do not want to be offensive and condescending?).

    An eg of this attitude can be seen in this thread:

    It moved Kevin Kirby to "apologise" to international podiatry on "behalf" of the USA.

    Here is one of the Canada threads:
    I locked it after deleting a lot of messages and banning a few DPM's after they were warned (the thread actually looks a lot better than it was before the deletions - but use your imagination as to what might have been said). One of the banned users was one of the other posters already in the thread who also joined up with an additional user name of "DoctorPMnotDiplomaCh" - obviously only to provoke).

    This is an international forum and that kind of nonsense is just not tolerated.
  8. Scorpio622

    Scorpio622 Active Member

    I am very curious to know who wrote the Wiki entry... an American, Canadian, or Aussie?? Do we know exactly- before we castigate "arrogant" Americans.

    I will tell you that I have heard many negative comments from my colleagues here in the US over my 20 years of being in the profession and HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT NON-US DPMS.

    In fact, the school that I am affiliated with has had foreign visitors from MANY countries to learn surgical techniques. Many of our docs have traveled abroad in collaborative efforts as well.

    Canadian DPMs attitudes and prejudices are guided by their professional standing and associate limitations imposed by CANADA. Blaming the US for this is like blaming China for the war in Iraq because they invented gunpowder.
  9. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    Wikipedia log the IP addresss of those who do edits. When I checked yesterday, most of the edits of the Wikipedia article in question where by a registered user with the name Robpod and a IP address in the USA.
  10. There is a certain level of ignorance of foot-health professionals from all countries regarding what the scope of practice is and type of training is for foot health professionals from other countries. It seems rather silly to spend all this time and effort blaming one country for their podiatrists when it is rather obvious that it is only a small minority of individuals that are making these uninformed and sometimes derogatory comments on public forums.

    One of the main purposes of this international podiatry forum is to increase the level of knowledge of podiatrists from all countries so that their level of ignorance is decreased regarding what the state of their profession is in other countries. I would suggest we stop stereotyping the podiatrists from one country as being of a certain caliber since this comes across as being just as bad as any other form of stereotyping that we see in our respective cultures. Nothing positive is gained from these types of comments and they negatively impact the professionalism of this international podiatry forum.
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2007
  11. Podiatry777

    Podiatry777 Active Member

    Being an Australian, I appreciate Kevin's comments. Let's face it, someone somewhere will try to provoke us, so we waste time argueing over nothing. Instead of moving towards increased standards for our profession world wide. We are trying to elevate and improve consistency to the profession of "Podiatry".

    The aggrevators are only pulling themselves down as they are part of the Podiatry profession also- a profession not perfect but serious in development and best patient care.

    On the otherhand, if a rebuttle is not forthcomming, the onlookers may believe the only info they get, unless they are willing to do own research and keep an open mind in the process. How likely is that at a quick glance?

    Finally, 'Podiatry technitian" wording is clearly ludicrous. A technitian has very little rights, and his/her work would need sighning off by a Professional Podiatrist. That's more a reference to a Podiatric assisstant. (Pardon any spelling errors,please).

  12. Hylton Menz

    Hylton Menz Guest

    Podiatry listing in Wikipedia gets even weirder...

    I had a look at the podiatry listing on Wikipedia today, and found this:

    Obviously someone's idea of a joke, but I guess it does highlight the inherent problems with Wikipedia....
  13. Happens all the time! Who would'nt be turned on by an x ray of some feet? :confused: :eek:

    Mind you that is a FINE looking x ray on Wikipedia front page, the elegant sweep of the 1st met, the sultry blockyness of the cuboid, the almost whimsical placing of the sesamoids! She's HOT!

    Interesting that wikipedia refers to PODIATRY in America and Australia and CHIROPODY in UK, New Zealand and Canada!

    It is a bizarre world in which we are living. I suspect only Cameron would know if there is such a thing as Radiophilia. :D

  14. Re: Podiatry listing in Wikipedia gets even weirder...

    Clearly Angus does have an interest in podiatry as one can judge from the following lyric:

    "Shake a leg, shake your head
    Shake a leg, wake the dead
    Shake a leg, get stuck in
    Shake a leg, shake a leg yeah"

    I always preferred "Big Balls", but you can look up those lyrics yourself.
  15. Hylton Menz

    Hylton Menz Guest

    For those Arena members unfamiliar with Aussie pub rock, Angus Young is the guitarist for ACDC:


    Despite decades of wearing a school uniform, he doesn't have a PhD, but he may have picked up an Honorary Doctorate somewhere...

    Anyway, we're getting off track here. Can someone please fix up the Wikipedia listing?


  16. Cameron

    Cameron Well-Known Member

    The International Consensus Conference was held last week-end in Copenhagen. Sponsored by FIP, the Consensus Conference was established in 1998 with the primary function to bring together the practice and educational communities. This year's foci was on how pods across the world practice their profession and how they receive their education. As would be anticipated the scope varies but the primary function of an International Academy of Podiatry Educators, if the organisation is accepted by FIP (with over 60 country membership), would be to found an international model of podiatric practice, based on consensus and not conjecture. The complete set of vocational competencies would provide a definition of a podiatrist.

    In time I dare say that will apppear in Wikipedia. More importantly the success of the venture will impact on professional reciprosity. Welcome to the future.

  17. DaVinci

    DaVinci Well-Known Member

    I think that is the problem alluded to above. Many have tried, but some idiot (obviously from the USA) who is unfamiliar with Podiatry worldwide keeps on editing back the changes.
  18. Yeah, those podiatrists from the USA are all idiots and those podiatrists from all countries other than the USA are perfect souls, all with the highest caliber skills, training and ethics.......is that the take-home message for this thread??.....sure seems like it to me.

    Everyone knows the USA is the cause of all the world's problems....even Wikipedia listings..... :cool: ;)
  19. DaVinci

    DaVinci Well-Known Member

    I was not referring to the USA in general, just the one that thinks they "own" that Wikipedia listing.

    Kevin - What do you think about the original reference discussed above that called podiatrists outside the USA 'podiatry technicians'? You travel enough to know that name is not used anywhere.

    Despite numerous attempts to change it to something more appropriate, it was kept being edited back. Fortunatly that nonsense has stopped. Should anyone be surprised at the reactions in this thread?
  20. I am surprised that anyone who has any knowledge of the extremely diverse characteristics of the members of the United States podiatric community can make generalizations about the members of that profession from the actions of one person who is making an a** of himself on a computer website. If you look at this thread objectively here are some quotes that have been made:

    "Many have tried, but some idiot (obviously from the USA) who is unfamiliar with Podiatry worldwide keeps on editing back the changes."

    "This is not only a problem at Wikipedia, but here at Podiatry Arena as well. Just look at how many DPM's from the USA have been banned here for their attitudes and offensive behaviour. More than half of them are from Ontario ....says it all."

    Should anyone be surprised by my reactions to these comments?

    DaVinci, you need to travel to my wonderful country sometime to one of our large podiatry seminars and introduce yourself as an podiatrist from Australia.....see the reaction you get....and then tell me if you still think that US podiatrists are all like this bozo who likes to screw around with the Wikipedia site. I'll even shout for a drink or two if you introduce yourself to me. Some of my best friends are podiatrists from Australia.
  21. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    nuff said
  22. admin

    admin Administrator Staff Member

    I have temporarily reopened this thread to post some information, but not for the thread to carry on where it left of.

    Someone called Smokymirrors made these edits:
    The edits were reverted within 10 minutes by Hopping who noted the edits as vandalism.

    Smokeymirrors has also been posting these claims on various places around Wikipedia:
    The edits associated with the "fraudulent use" have all been reverted as vandalism.

    The problems at Wikipedia still persist.
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