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Use of Xylocaine when breast feeding?

Discussion in 'General Issues and Discussion Forum' started by brevis, Sep 24, 2009.

  1. brevis

    brevis Active Member

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    Just curious to see if anyone performs nail sx whilst a mother is breatfeeding?
    Some GP's tell me never to use it, others say its ok1

  2. Secret Squirrel

    Secret Squirrel Active Member

    From what I was able to dig up:
    Source: http://www.drugs.com/pregnancy/lidocaine-topical.html

  3. SoulShine

    SoulShine Member

    It's essentially still the mother's choice after your guidance is given and will depend on many factors such as age of bub etc. Look at the drug's half life and get further advice from breastfeeeding associations who are used to these types of questions. Otherwise, I would suggest: if in doubt, throw it out! Cheers!:drinks
  4. pommypod

    pommypod Member

    how desperate are you to use xylocaine.....given all the hype and scares around ill effects on the child/foetus of smoking, pate and other such daily occurences I would personally say no way no matter what the evidence says. Just remember any problems and they will be looking for some one to blame. YOU!
    Just say no.
    Unless they are a dedicated breast feeder until the child is .....well there are all sorts out there! and cannot walk and are prepared to sign a disclaimer and you give them a comprehensive detailed legal document to sign....and did they really understand you? wittnessed and counter wittnessed .....JUST SAY NO and see you when you've finished lactating!
  5. Nat

    Nat Active Member

    If the mother/patient had a badly infected ingrown nail that needed to be avulsed, then I would do it since the risk to the nursing child from Lidocaine is lower than the risk from cellulitis to the mother.
  6. mgates01

    mgates01 Active Member

    I would agree with Nat, it's about assessing the risk. We had a similar question a few months ago when some staff were worried about administering mepivicaine (for nail surgery), to mothers who were breast feeding.
    We took advice from our pharmacy department and they produced the same type of evidence as in the previous posts and concluded that the risk was minimal.
    All the studies they quoted were on lidocaine and those that suggested a small risk might exist, concerned the use of intravenous lidocaine.
  7. Nina

    Nina Active Member


    I would and have given LA to nursing mothers, I would not however phenolise. I researched this about 20yrs ago and found a link to sudden infant death.

  8. Paul Bowles

    Paul Bowles Well-Known Member

    I would love to see that link.....because I think it is physically impossible to issue a localised irritant to a mother and have it manifest in a child months/years later...

    I am happy to be proven wrong.

    Then again casual causation is alive and well isn't it. Maybe it wasn't the phenol maybe it was sitting in the waiting room and looking at the bad practice wallpaper that led to SIDS in the supposed "research" you quote. Just a thought!

    In reference to the original question - its lignocaine - show me a study that says its toxic during pregnancy. THere is documentation which states effects are unknown - but nothing saying its not safe. Common sense prevails - risk VS benefit, and at this point there is no real risk.
  9. Nina

    Nina Active Member

    Hi Paul,

    I couldn't google or search on Pod areana in those days, I can only think I gleaned the info from the then current copy of the BNF (British National Formulary).

    I take your point about correlation is not causation but when a baby dies and you find a potential link you make sure it can't happen again. I too wouldn't have thought that enough phenol could be absorbed but how much is enough?

    When administering a drug to a nursing mother I ask myself whether (in the correct dose) I would administer it to the child?

  10. efuller

    efuller MVP

    I wonder how many nursing mothers had an epidural during birth. A one time shot of 5cc in a toe is probably going to be less than the amount of the epidural. Ultimately, it should be the patients informed choice. The pediatrician organization sited above think it is ok, people get epidurals for birth versus the pain of removing an ingrown toenail without anesthesia. Give them the choice.

  11. Paul Bowles

    Paul Bowles Well-Known Member

    Thanks Nina,

    But again I would doubt anything like that was published - maybe it was inference. There is not even a remote "link" to phenol and SIDS (that I can find or am aware of in evidenced based literature).

    Phenol is not "absorbed" from localized use. There is no evidence to suggest application of phenol topically to any part of the body shows systemic absorption. There is no systemic uptake from application.

    Lignocaine would have to be one of the most safe, benign drugs in the world!

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